Gaga Was Ahead With Visual Album Idea

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

4 hours ago, Harry said:

How was she "ahead" with the idea if she wasn't the first to try and execute the concept? When even Beyonce - who you're desperately trying to put down again - already did it before Gaga's name was even known by anyone.

 

35 minutes ago, Harry said:

I said exactly what I meant to say... What is the problem?

You said "Gaga wasn't the first to try and execute the concept"

It insinuates that either she didn't try to execute the concept or she lied about everything.

Damn why are you being so argumentative?

 

 

[PopThatArt 2,193]

59 minutes ago, Benji said:

Many artists done visual albums before Gaga thought about doing it with ARTPOP. Bey even made one before Gaga. She also done the two sided album idea with Sasha Fierce before Gaga thought to do it with ARTPOP.

So no, Gaga wasn't ahead. Not that she needs to be.

The problem is how people think Beyoncé is the first one and they think she's so innovative when in fact she is not. They praise her and act like she's some artistic genius when really it's the 50 producers and 40 songwriters work on the albums not just hers. She and her husband and that whole part of the industry are liars and scammers and phonies. And with Sasha Fierce are you trying to claim Beyoncé invented the idea of alter egos in mainstream? If you are, sit down! 

And it's all so fake. Faker than Beyoncé's first pregnancy.  

[Harry 26,836]

6 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said:

 

You said "Gaga wasn't the first to try and execute the concept"

It insinuates that either she didn't try to execute the concept or she lied about everything.

Damn why are you being so argumentative?

 

 

I'm afraid that you just came to that conclusion yourself. If I said she "wasn't the first to try", then the sentence implies that she did try but wasn't the first. If I wanted to say that she didn't try to do it, I would've said something along the lines of "Gaga didn't try to do it". I don't get why it's hard to understand.

Me being argumentative? You called me out over literally nothing and I'm just bemused.

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

1 minute ago, PopThatArt said:

The problem is how people think Beyoncé is the first one and they think she's so innovative when in fact she is not. They praise her and act like she's some artistic genius when really it's the 50 producers and 40 songwriters work on the albums not just hers. She and her husband and that whole part of the industry are liars and scammers and phonies. 

Wow I really agree with you here.

Beyonce is an industry. 

[Benji 20,113]

6 minutes ago, PopThatArt said:

The problem is how people think Beyoncé is the first one and they think she's so innovative when in fact she is not. They praise her and act like she's some artistic genius when really it's the 50 producers and 40 songwriters work on the albums not just hers. She and her husband and that whole part of the industry are liars and scammers and phonies. 

I'm not saying "Beyoncé did all of this first!" because it's not true. My point is, Gaga's current peers done it before her, which is true. It's not like Gaga was trying to revive something of the past because it was already being done.

I like Beyoncé but I'm not going to try and change your opinion of her as it seems yours is pretty strong, which is fair enough and your right.

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

2 minutes ago, Harry said:

I'm afraid that you just came to that conclusion yourself. If I said she "wasn't the first to try", then the sentence implies that she did try but wasn't the first. If I wanted to say that she didn't try to do it, I would've said something along the lines of "Gaga didn't try to do it". I don't get why it's hard to understand.

Me being argumentative? You called me out over literally nothing and I'm just bemused.

Because you stated a tautology. Of course something can't be the first if it happened after someone else already did the same thing. That is not even worthy of mentioning.

I guess I thought you were trying to say something deep or introspective. Didn't realise you were just stating the bleeding obvious. 

[PopBitch 1,218]

8 hours ago, Enigma said:

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Beyonce and several others have released visual albums at this point. But way before Beyonce released her self titled album and Lemonade, Gaga was already planning on releasing a visual album. That visual album would have been ARTPOP, but as you all know, almost all her plans go canceled when she broke up with her manager Troy. However, you can still see hints of that visual album with GUY Music film were she included the songs ARTPOP, Venus, GUY, and MANiCURE. Now, Gaga was definitely not the first person to come up with this concept. But she was still pretty much ahead with this visual album concept in the mainstream scene. 

Nobody invents anything.  But Beyonce has put out a concept album, and she has visual art to the whole album, which is complete, and dropped all at once.  This is a masterful project touching on betrayal and redemption and about social issues.  The visual art to the project was released at the same time, not hodgepodge, not promises.  And I just watched the HBO special.  All I can say is it is brilliant.   And color me surprised.  I was not expecting it to be so powerful.

 

The whole work of art is dropped on us as cohesive as you can get.

She deserves applause as an artist, whether you like the songs in the album or not.

[Alien Tulip 12,428]

3 hours ago, Disenchanted said:

HAAAA omg I just came here to speak about the same thing but you beat me. You were inb4.

I promise I didn't copy your thread 

Beyonce released her first visual album Bday in 2007. iamamiwhoami have been releasing visual albums since 2010. Pink floyd had released visual albums many decades ago as well. 

[gagaisitalian 3,573]

Gaga did not start the visual album movement. Delulu.

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

10 minutes ago, Alien Tulip said:

Beyonce released her first visual album Bday in 2007. iamamiwhoami have been releasing visual albums since 2010. Pink floyd had released visual albums many decades ago as well. 

Beyonce's video album was released to coincide with the Deluxe rerelease of B'Day which was originally released a year earlier in 2006. But I think the label only released it as a last minute ditch to boost sales. It wasn't planned from the start like ARTPOP was.

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

5 minutes ago, LDR said:

Gaga did not start the visual album movement. Delulu.

Nobody here claimed she did. Nobody here claimed there is a movement, either

[Yanko 9,860]

but beyonce is too predictable?  

 

lord 

[Alien Tulip 12,428]

Just now, Lord Temptation said:

The video album was released to coincide with the Deluxe rerelease of B'Day which was originally released a year earlier in 2006. But I think the label only released it to boost sales, it wasn't planned from the start like ARTPOP was.

The music videos were filmed from Early 2006 to Beginning of 2007 though 

and it doesnt really matter if beyonce planned it from the beginning or not (even though she did) because the point is, its been done before by plenty of people. Only difference is that Gaga's plans never come to fruition. Her ideas are always scrapped and watered down. I hope for the next album all her original ideas come in full circle but I'm not sure because even her latest grammy performance was supposed to be something big, innovative and exciting but we ended up just getting a tribute performance that felt more like a drag vegas performance. 

[Yanko 9,860]

5 hours ago, hmm said:

Why not address the main point of their post - Beyonce had already done a visual album years before Gaga had mentioned the idea  

  

thats enigma for you 

[Benji 20,113]

2 minutes ago, Yanko said:

but beyonce is too predictable?  

 

lord 

When you diss Bey, you diss yourself. Literally in this case.

Keep that in mind Predictablema