New York Primary

[ctherainbow 3,162]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

of course. The goal is to work with the system currently in place. But to ALSO question that system when it does not do what it purports to do. 

Well, for me it's a successful system, so have fun questioning it, and good luck to ya.   

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1 minute ago, FATCAT said:

It more than sucks, it's down right election fraud. Manuel entry basically means they can switch your vote, they manually input what you placed on the paper.

 

Yes. I believe they feed them one by one into the machine once its running, but either way, its putting a human being in between you and your vote. That is so far from ideal. It's very frustrating. 

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17 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

We're just restating our same stances over and over at this point lol. I don't believe in voter suppression of any kind. I don't support the kind we had in the past. I don't support the kind we have now. I don't want to suppress the vote of any person. This includes the impulsive, the procrastinating, the forgetful, the 'too-busy'. I can't really say it any other way. 

Thank you for discussing it with me though. 

So, do you not believe in caucuses either? Those aren't one vote, one result and they are anything but convenient! Should we get rid of them, as well? 

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1 minute ago, ctherainbow said:

Well, for me it's a successful system, so have fun questioning it, and good luck to ya.   

The american election system is successful? We have some of the lowest turn out, and some of the highest cases of suppression in the western world. 

 

[Morphine Prince 109,683]

14 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

There has been over 100,000 people that have had their registrations changed. It's more than just a deadline, election fraud is happening in NY just like Arizona.

Well then... let's see what happens. 

[Morphine Prince 109,683]

13 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

https://vid.me/DAIi

Gosh this sucks. 

Video is titled: Both voting machines down in Brooklyn, NY

Wow. 

[Voltaire 4,531]

2 minutes ago, Whispering said:

So, do you not believe in caucuses either? Those aren't one vote, one result and they are anything but convenient! Should we get rid of them, as well? 

Not a fan of caucuses, no. If a state could conduct one that maximized turnout somehow, then I'd love to hear that. But otherwise, no. I think its a poor way to go about getting the most people to participate as possible. 

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18 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

There has been over 100,000 people that have had their registrations changed. It's more than just a deadline, election fraud is happening in NY just like Arizona.

Those people are the ones who can legitimately fill out a provisional ballot and sign the affidavit section stating that they are a registered Democrat or Republican. There are provisions in place for those types of voters. 

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4 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Not a fan of caucuses, no. If a state could conduct one that maximized turnout somehow, then I'd love to hear that. But otherwise, no. I think its a poor way to go about getting the most people to participate as possible. 

I agree. Caucuses are hard on people who work, have night classes, have children, single parents, the elderly, or people that simply don't want to tell their neighbors and work associates who they are voting for. I know of people who are extreme introverts and simply didn't want to participate in such a large gathering of people. 

I also agree that NY has strict voting guidelines for their primary, but these rules have been in place for forty years. These guidelines weren't put in place this year to favor Hillary or suppress Bernie. They aren't suddenly new this year. 

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Just now, Whispering said:

I agree. Caucuses are hard on people who work, have night classes, have children, single parents, the elderly, or people that simply don't want to tell their neighbors and work associates who they are voting for. I know of people who are extreme introverts and simply didn't want to participate in such a large gathering of people. 

I also agree that NY has strict voting guidelines for their primary, but these rules have been in place for forty years. These guidelines weren't put in place this year to favor Hillary or suppress Bernie. They aren't suddenly new this year. 

I agree with everything you've said here. I am also not speaking from a candidate-specific status here, nor a partisan one. My thoughts on elections are independent of this specific race, and those specific candidates. I do not want any persons vote suppressed, including the votes of the persons I'd rather not get elected. 

This election cycle has simply scratched the rash of issues that we have, and exacerbated the sicknesses in our system. 

[FATCAT 60,888]

6 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Those people are the ones who can legitimately fill out a provisional ballot and sign the affidavit section stating that they are a registered Democrat or Republican. There are provisions in place for those types of voters. 

But that's the thing, instead of having their vote sent in electroniclly directly, they have to go through a manual entry. This places extra uncertainty as to whether there ballot will be counted or not. There are a lot of provisional ballots that get "thrown out" or voided for no apparent reason. This was very prevalent in AZ.

These people were neglected, their registrations lost or distorted(sometimes days before the primary) and now have to suffer. It's just plain undemocratic. Open primaries, or same-day registration, would solve this and promote fair primaries.

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24 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

While I agree with you, it's still a form of voter supression. It decreases voter turnout, plain and simple.

So do caucuses, but they have highly favored Bernie. The primary guidelines are set up state by state and vary greatly. Unless the US government steps in to make all states and both parties conform to one central set of guidelines, it will remain this way. 

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2 minutes ago, Whispering said:

So do caucuses, but they have highly favored Bernie. The primary guidelines are set up state by state and vary greatly. Unless the US government steps in to make all states and both parties conform to one central set of guidelines, it will remain this way. 

It's not about Bernie or Hillary here, it's about the voters. We should all stand up after this election cycle and hammer out a new, more democratic, election process for delegates.

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2 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

But that's the thing, instead of having their vote sent in electroniclly directly, they have to go through a manual entry. This places extra uncertainty as to whether there ballot will be counted or not. There are a lot of provisional ballots that get "thrown out" or voided for no apparent reason. This was very prevalent in AZ.

These people were neglected, their registrations lost or distorted(sometimes days before the primary) and now have to suffer. It's just plain undemocratic. Open primaries, or same-day registration, would solve this and promote fair primaries.

It takes up to seven to ten days, depending on the state, to count the provisional ballots. That's because they actually check to see if the provisional ballot is backed up by a registered voting record. In this case, the provisional ballots that independents or Republicans are filling out hoping for them to "count" will be the ones thrown out. Also, if any provisional ballot doesn't have evidence of actual voter registration. They aren't going to count it, just because someone filled out a form. These ballots have to be checked for accuracy and validity. 

Thet won't "suffer". If these people have been registered in the party they are voting for today, their vote will count. 

[President Biden 5,898]

Easy as this, mandatory voting and do away with the parties. All 11 republicans, 3 democrats and the third party candidates would be on nicembers ballout. Fair and square