Morphine Prince 109,683 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 1 minute ago, LebaneseDude said: It's natural for Bernie supporters to bring in examples about Hillary as a defense for Bernie. Offense makes a good misdirecting defense I suppose. Although in Morphine Prince's defense, he was talking to me specifically. Yes, I was responding to your post about ads in general. Not trying to derail the thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: Well I don't think we need to reduce what his values might be even if it's obvious pandering. I'm not trying to spin it into something it's not. People saying it's problematic are. It's not problematic in any way imo. But it could be if you just wanna be against everything a candidate says. As is the case with both Hillary and Bernie supporters who like to tear apart literally everything the other says Well it might be problematic when his images have the unfortunate implication that he's been through the same struggle. Personally I don't care, but many people can view it that way. Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 I don't think it is problematic at all. Although I think the biblical passage was unnecessary. I know MLK used it but religion (and specially the bible) shouldn't be part of his campaign considering how inclusive and liberal his campaign has been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 No because he's actually done things for the civil rights movement like Obama and King had, unlike his running mate. Next Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 19 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: Yes, I was responding to your post about ads in general. Not trying to derail the thread. 10/10 on your new avi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 25 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: Are you seriously blaming him for using this? This is a campaign. Maybe if I use some Hillary ads you will see: Rainbow "Hillary" H. Pandering to gays? Or showing she supports LGBT people? You decide. Did she fight for LGBT rights since a long time ago? (I actually don't know), I only know she didn't support same sex marriage a few decades back. Pandering to Hispanics? Hispanics on social media ridiculed this last year. The slogan #ImWithHer Pandering to women? Or just a great slogan? You're with HER, not him. Clearly showcasing she's a woman, the only woman, and will be the FIRST woman to be president. It's a campaign. The ads are designed to get votes and bring people in to become interested in a candidate. They are both Pandering. You can't say one is and the other isn't. Then he used a Bible verse. It's clearly pandering. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankenztein 1,172 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 I don't think the campaign is equating Bernie to MLK. It's just showing a contribution that Bernie made. Besides I can't take anyone who uses the word "problematic" seriously anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Himeros26 1,688 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 37 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said: Civil rights have already been established. African Americans face different challenges today, ones that Sanders has failed to address. This photo doesn't show anything relevant, and is arguably pandering if one uses the same logic enforced on Hillary every other day. "Support me. I supported your civil rights a long time ago". Doesn't address the issues African Americans face today...? Dude seriously? Please, when HilLiary allows her BLM protestor to have a voice and he cuts off a protestor, kicks them out, and turns to his white friends who paid over a couple thousand to watch him speak and says "Now back to the issues," you can then make that claim. That's just ridiculous and absurd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Himeros26 1,688 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 5 minutes ago, MJHolland said: No because he's actually done things for the civil rights movement like Obama and King had, unlike his running mate. Next Okay girl I'm feelin what you said in this thread slay a little Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,683 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, just4fun said: They are both Pandering. You can't say one is and the other isn't. Then he used a Bible verse. It's clearly pandering. Go back and read I've said they both are and there's nothing wrong with it as this is a campaign. UNLESS it's so blatantly obvious the candidate really doesn't care about a certain issue and is just looking for political gain. Which is not the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 5 minutes ago, just4fun said: They are both Pandering. You can't say one is and the other isn't. Then he used a Bible verse. It's clearly pandering. Uh considering Bernie as been a life long supporter of the civil rights movement and Clinton just got behind gay marriage like last week, I'm pretty sure one is pandering and one isn't.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Well Hillary can't make an ad like this can she? Mr. Barry Goldwater & being a Republican are not nice things + her first job as a lawyer was defending a child rapist that allegedly she already knew was guilty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, MJHolland said: Uh considering Bernie as been a life long supporter of the civil rights movement and Clinton just got behind gay marriage like last week, I'm pretty sure one is pandering and one isn't.... Bernie was against gay marriage when he was mayor of Vermont. He only wanted a civil union so not to fight the power. He also was not going to do anything for gay work rights. He is NOT a lifetime supporter of gay rights. Did he change is mind before Hilary? Yes, but he still changed his mind. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Himeros26 1,688 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 1 minute ago, just4fun said: Bernie was against gay marriage when he was mayor of Vermont. He only wanted a civil union so not to fight the power. He also was not going to do anything for gay work rights. He is NOT a lifetime supporter of gay rights. Did he change is mind before Hilary? Yes, but he still changed his mind. And STILL not as often as HilLiary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 17 minutes ago, MJHolland said: Uh considering Bernie as been a life long supporter of the civil rights movement and Clinton just got behind gay marriage like last week, I'm pretty sure one is pandering and one isn't.... Please don't reduce LGBT rights to marriage equality It's insulting, especially to those from countries who couldn't care less about marriage equality when they're being arrested on the streets for who they are. The same countries that Clinton has denounced and engaged in active diplomacy in response such as the sanctions against Uganda when their anti-gay law was established. Also Sanders was against it too, so don't try to whitewash history. The only reason he voted against many referendums was because he wanted the matter left to the states (due to his socialist leanings) as opposed to empathy towards the cause. Also the civil rights movement isn't what's being discussed here. African Americans face issues different than civil rights which have already been granted. Nowadays it's mostly remnants of intolerance and racism which demand a different set of goals, ones that Sanders has consistently failed to address. Bringing up his actions for civil rights movement, as if he had any impact in comparison really, is misdirection. Case in point: Pandering. Hillary using a rainbow slogan and a hashtag is so irrelevant in comparison, especially when she really did advocate for gay and women rights throughout all of her career, even today, with the exception of the occasional minor outlier like her understandably passive stance on marriage equality as a person from an older generation. Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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