Glory 2,247 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 2 hours ago, Creyk said: You know you might be right. I have been saying that "Needed Me" will eclipse it. If the video for that one is better it could easily happen. It's TTT era all over. WFL smashing severals weeks after a small beginning = Work You Da One released and no one care as WFL is still on top = Kiss It Better Talk That Talk little success on urban = Needed Me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoHeaven23 35,007 Posted April 12, 2016 Author Share Posted April 12, 2016 17 minutes ago, Creyk said: He was already on a reality show & did well i know, i watched. He was a snake Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,830 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 21 hours ago, Economy said: You know, this is nothing new... The overwelming majority of artists dont last with great success for more than 2-4 years tops. But thats the way its always been People looking back may perceive that to be different because the music industries highlights are what comes to mind. You remember the best hits, and you remember legends like Michael Jackson, Madonna, Elton John, Prince, Elvis Presley etc and all these artists that lasted and had a long impact But most artists werent Elites back then either, these names were the exeption also. In fact the 1980s is known as the decade of 1-hit wonders. There were many, many, many artists that simply did not last. My mom will play hit music from her days and 80% of those names ive never heard of!!! In 20-30 years people will look back and remember the elites like Lady Gaga, Justin Bieber, Taylor Swift, Britney Spears, Eminem, Beyonce, Rihanna and aritsts like these who lasted and think in our time everyone lasted but thats not true, cuz most artists today do not last or have the impact of the ellites i just named above ^^^^^^^ I know, I just think it's so much easier to fall from success these days because of how our attention spans have dipped progressively over history. It's much more common now to see an artist go from hero to zero in the space of one album as opposed to the 80's when they'd take a dip but not necessarily drop right off the radar. Because people couldn't listen to music for free back then, there was a lot more mystery around albums, making people more likely to buy them just to check them out. That's a good thing about streaming now - we can try before we buy, so we don't waste money. I would like to know exactly how much big name acts pre-digital age would've sold if they had had the same system. Seriously, I've listened to so many albums from the pre-digital age and am shocked at how bad they are (a lot of them considered classics and sold undeserved millions). Don't believe the older generation saying: "Music was good back then - it's terrible now." There has always been terrible music, it's just we think of nostalgic music in such a rose-tinted way. Artists could get away so much easier with making bad music back then, but now there's no hiding. If you make a bad album, everyone will know without even paying to find out. So, at least the modern age provides a much more accurate reflection of how popular these artists actually are. And can you imagine where most of these old CDs that were bought in the 90's and before are now? In charity shops, dusty attics and landfill sites, that's where. Nowadays, people remember and cherish their music because they only buy albums that they know they'll like and storing it digitally means they can never lose it. 20 hours ago, DiscoHeaven23 said: First off, i LIVE for your responses. Secondly, the part that's in bold is so insightful. so many new artists from 2012/2013/2014 have fallen. It's why I scoff at anyone who goes completely overboard with stanning hard for someone who's only made one album or about a new artist naming their "fanbase" when they've only had one single out. Counting chickens before they hatch and all that. Then these same hardcore fans move right on after the second album isn't up to scratch and loyalty is gone. This forum used to be crawling with Lorde fandom but that's gone now. Right from the beginning, I said she wouldn't go anywhere but everyone talked me down for it. I can just tell these days who's going to stick around and who isn't. Some are on surprising borrowed time but most just fade out. Making your breakout single be something unusual that the public don't usually go for is a big mistake. It dooms you to one-hit wonder status before you've even got started. The public don't support that weirdness twice. For all Gaga is risk-taking, she played it smart by releasing Just Dance as her debut. Something normal. That's what insured she stayed around. If she'd started out releasing Bad Romance, she probably would have been a one hit wonder. Start out normal, take risks later. It pays off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Ryan 1,468 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 4 hours ago, Creyk said: Break Free was not a solo single. It was a collaboration with producer Zedd who also made the queen of pop - Ladi Gaga - fourth album's best song ever - G.U.Y Every artist collaborates with a producer. I didn't see hear him singing in the song. Well G.U.Y. (feat. Zedd) sounds just the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illuminati 15,921 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 15 minutes ago, BrianxRyan said: Every artist collaborates with a producer. I didn't see hear him singing in the song. Well G.U.Y. (feat. Zedd) sounds just the same. he's not a singer he's a producer, like Diplo, David Guetta.. you name it. They don't sing on their songs but if it's a collaboration like Break Free it means he had more presence in the creative process of the song as opposed to just following whatever Gaga wanted her GUY to shape into. That's how I see it at least. tl;dr he doesn't have to sing on break free for it to be a collab Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Ryan 1,468 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, BlTCH said: he's not a singer he's a producer, like Diplo, David Guetta.. you name it. They don't sing on their songs but if it's a collaboration like Break Free it means he had more presence in the creative process of the song as opposed to just following whatever Gaga wanted her GUY to shape into. That's how I see it at least. tl;dr he doesn't have to sing on break free for it to be a collab I don't hear any more "collaboration" with G.U.Y. than Break Free. He does not say a word. He could have easily slapped his name on G.U.Y. as well. It is simply just a way to put his name out there when people hear the song they hear Ariana Grande and not any other artist. Every song needs to be featured with producers if you catch my drift. Work (feat. Drake, Boi-1da, Kuk Harrell). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illuminati 15,921 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, BrianxRyan said: I don't hear any more "collaboration" with G.U.Y. than Break Free. He does not say a word. He could have easily slapped his name on G.U.Y. as well. It is simply just a way to put his name out there when people hear the song they hear Ariana Grande and not any other artist. Every song needs to be featured with producers if you catch my drift. Work (feat. Drake, Boi-1da, Kuk Harrell). It means he had less creative control when collaborating with Gaga than he did when collaborating with Ariana. If you ever listened to Lean On (which was a huge hit) it's not MO's song, it's actually a huge collaboration between producers and MO is just featured on it which means that she likely just borrowed them her vocals and nothing more. I'm not gonna look into it but maybe Zedd did some of Arianas lyrics or was in complete control of the track and that's why they agreed on a feature. It's rare to see a producer ever sing their song even though they may be the main artist on the track. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,645 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 2 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said: I know, I just think it's so much easier to fall from success these days because of how our attention spans have dipped progressively over history. It's much more common now to see an artist go from hero to zero in the space of one album as opposed to the 80's when they'd take a dip but not necessarily drop right off the radar. Because people couldn't listen to music for free back then, there was a lot more mystery around albums, making people more likely to buy them just to check them out. That's a good thing about streaming now - we can try before we buy, so we don't waste money. I would like to know exactly how much big name acts pre-digital age would've sold if they had had the same system. Seriously, I've listened to so many albums from the pre-digital age and am shocked at how bad they are (a lot of them considered classics and sold undeserved millions). Don't believe the older generation saying: "Music was good back then - it's terrible now." There has always been terrible music, it's just we think of nostalgic music in such a rose-tinted way. Artists could get away so much easier with making bad music back then, but now there's no hiding. If you make a bad album, everyone will know without even paying to find out. So, at least the modern age provides a much more accurate reflection of how popular these artists actually are. And can you imagine where most of these old CDs that were bought in the 90's and before are now? In charity shops, dusty attics and landfill sites, that's where. Nowadays, people remember and cherish their music because they only buy albums that they know they'll like and storing it digitally means they can never lose it. It's why I scoff at anyone who goes completely overboard with stanning hard for someone who's only made one album or about a new artist naming their "fanbase" when they've only had one single out. Counting chickens before they hatch and all that. Then these same hardcore fans move right on after the second album isn't up to scratch and loyalty is gone. This forum used to be crawling with Lorde fandom but that's gone now. Right from the beginning, I said she wouldn't go anywhere but everyone talked me down for it. I can just tell these days who's going to stick around and who isn't. Some are on surprising borrowed time but most just fade out. Making your breakout single be something unusual that the public don't usually go for is a big mistake. It dooms you to one-hit wonder status before you've even got started. The public don't support that weirdness twice. For all Gaga is risk-taking, she played it smart by releasing Just Dance as her debut. Something normal. That's what insured she stayed around. If she'd started out releasing Bad Romance, she probably would have been a one hit wonder. Start out normal, take risks later. It pays off. What u said i agree with, knowing ppls content without buying it makes a bug difference what happens now with internet is faster cycles. Songs climb up faster but also fall faster. But how long artists themselves last vaties Honestly so much different factors come into play that its sometimes hard to tell Competition level during releases, last minute trend changes with the GP, the risks artists take (do they work or not?), how well promoted they are and yes how good the artist is etc i think how an artist plays their cards is a big thing but luck is a big factor also. Im still trying to figure out how the beatles were so huge. I think it was the timing their new style of music after society went thru big changes. But their music to ke is meh and their vocals stink John Lenons Solo immagine i think was huge for its meaning and the time it was released... But those vocals, every cover i heard is better than the original Anyway i have a list of a few Artists i think will be remembered and Artists that wont since the new milenium. It has nothing to do with whether or not i like them, its from what i see. ARTISTS TO BE REMEMBERED: -Eminem -Beyonce -Britney Spears -Lady Gaga -Rihanna -Justin Bieber ARTISTS TO FADE AND BE FORGOTTEN: -Ariana Grande -Iggy Azalea -Ke$ha -Lorde -Jason De Rulo -Megan Trainer QUESTION MARK???? - Katy Perry (I will know after next era) -Adele (shes huge but if shes gonna release every 5 years with 1 or 2 hits dont expect legend status) -Nikky Minaj (I just dont know) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciccone Madonna 1,362 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 1 minute ago, Economy said: What u said i agree with, knowing ppls content without buying it makes a bug difference what happens now with internet is faster cycles. Songs climb up faster but also fall faster. But how long artists themselves last vaties Honestly so much different factors come into play that its sometimes hard to tell Competition level during releases, last minute trend changes with the GP, the risks artists take (do they work or not?), how well promoted they are and yes how good the artist is etc i think how an artist plays their cards is a big thing but luck is a big factor also. Im still trying to figure out how the beatles were so huge. I think it was the timing their new style of music after society went thru big changes. But their music to ke is meh and their vocals stink John Lenons Solo immagine i think was huge for its meaning and the time it was released... But those vocals, every cover i heard is better than the original Anyway i have a list of a few Artists i think will be remembered and Artists that wont since the new milenium. It has nothing to do with whether or not i like them, its from what i see. ARTISTS TO BE REMEMBERED: -Eminem -Beyonce -Britney Spears -Lady Gaga -Rihanna -Justin Bieber ARTISTS TO FADE AND BE FORGOTTEN: -Ariana Grande -Iggy Azalea -Ke$ha -Lorde -Jason De Rulo -Megan Trainer QUESTION MARK???? - Katy Perry (I will know after next era) -Adele (shes huge but if shes gonna release every 5 years with 1 or 2 hits dont expect legend status) -Nikky Minaj (I just dont know) Adele will be remembered MORE THAN ANYONE AND ANYTHING ELSE AS A THE UNIQUE VOICE OF 21ST CENTURY Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,830 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 13 minutes ago, Economy said: Im still trying to figure out how the beatles were so huge. I think it was the timing their new style of music after society went thru big changes. But their music to ke is meh and their vocals stink John Lenons Solo immagine i think was huge for its meaning and the time it was released... But those vocals, every cover i heard is better than the original Anyway i have a list of a few Artists i think will be remembered and Artists that wont since the new milenium. It has nothing to do with whether or not i like them, its from what i see. ARTISTS TO BE REMEMBERED: -Eminem -Beyonce -Britney Spears -Lady Gaga -Rihanna -Justin Bieber ARTISTS TO FADE AND BE FORGOTTEN: -Ariana Grande -Iggy Azalea -Ke$ha -Lorde -Jason De Rulo -Megan Trainer QUESTION MARK???? - Katy Perry (I will know after next era) -Adele (shes huge but if shes gonna release every 5 years with 1 or 2 hits dont expect legend status) -Nikky Minaj (I just dont know) i don't know why they were so big either - I always found them to be massively overrated bar one or two songs. All their "comedy" tracks aren't funny. Paul still tries to sing the hits to any crowd he can and they sound awful and I don't know why featuring him on a track gives your music credibility when his own solo work is panned. They're one of these bands that you're supposed to like, but is the like genuine? When I think back to poor albums pre-digital age, the first one I always think of is Madonna's debut. Even back then, how was this even allowed to be made? It sounds so amateur, so badly mixed, so boring and forgettable. It sold 10 million worldwide! How did she go on to anything greater after this? In terms of artists that will be remembered, I'd add Justin Timberlake and Amy Winehouse to that list. Shows that quantity of albums doesn't always matter. I think you've got everything else right, though. Yeah, I've also got a big question mark over Katy, Adele and Nicki. Katy's style isn't selling like it used to and she's getting on a bit by popstar standards, Adele's plan to take another big break after an album with only one hit isn't wise and female rappers rarely last (with just 6 albums, Missy Elliott is the female rapper with the most), so Nicki could be in trouble too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciccone Madonna 1,362 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 1 minute ago, StrawberryBlond said: i don't know why they were so big either - I always found them to be massively overrated bar one or two songs. All their "comedy" tracks aren't funny. Paul still tries to sing the hits to any crowd he can and they sound awful and I don't know why featuring him on a track gives your music credibility when his own solo work is panned. They're one of these bands that you're supposed to like, but is the like genuine? When I think back to poor albums pre-digital age, the first one I always think of is Madonna's debut. Even back then, how was this even allowed to be made? It sounds so amateur, so badly mixed, so boring and forgettable. It sold 10 million worldwide! How did she go on to anything greater after this? In terms of artists that will be remembered, I'd add Justin Timberlake and Amy Winehouse to that list. Shows that quantity of albums doesn't always matter. I think you've got everything else right, though. Yeah, I've also got a big question mark over Katy, Adele and Nicki. Katy's style isn't selling like it used to and she's getting on a bit by popstar standards, Adele's plan to take another big break after an album with only one hit isn't wise and female rappers rarely last (with just 6 albums, Missy Elliott is the female rapper with the most), so Nicki could be in trouble too. You got to open your ears girl, that was a post disco masterpiece Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,645 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 50 minutes ago, Ciccone Madonna said: Adele will be remembered MORE THAN ANYONE AND ANYTHING ELSE AS A THE UNIQUE VOICE OF 21ST CENTURY Ummmm, then she better release more... She has potential but once ur off spotlight a long time and ur career wasnt that long, u die no matter who u are it may seem like someone like Adele cant die cause shes a standout but try seeing in 3-5 years from now if she doesnt release anything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciccone Madonna 1,362 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 1 minute ago, Economy said: Ummmm, then she better release more... She has potential but once ur off spotlight a long time and ur career wasnt that long, u die no matter who u are it may seem like someone like Adele cant die cause shes a standout but try seeing in 3-5 years from now if she doesnt release anything whatever her World Tour this year is recording breaking. If she releases a nice video for her 3rd single of 25 she can go viral. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,645 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, Ciccone Madonna said: whatever her World Tour this year is recording breaking. If she releases a nice video for her 3rd single of 25 she can go viral. Yeah... "IF" thats my point im not questioning her ability to have success if she tries. But releasing material so spaced out, doing so little promo, and so few singles... Theres still hype over her from her massive debut 21 that carried over to 25... Her success this time was more moderate... the success from a more lukewarm 25 will not carry any sort of hype i to next album if its 5 years away and she does nothing till then ppl will obviously still know who Adele is... But will she succeed? Very, very few exeptions exist of ppl who released so little early career and managed to have great success later on no matter how much they were loved Adele has tones of potential and isnt taking advantage of it. Its her life, her decision... But her career longer term will suffer for it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uo111 5,261 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 5 hours ago, Economy said: What u said i agree with, knowing ppls content without buying it makes a bug difference what happens now with internet is faster cycles. Songs climb up faster but also fall faster. But how long artists themselves last vaties Honestly so much different factors come into play that its sometimes hard to tell Competition level during releases, last minute trend changes with the GP, the risks artists take (do they work or not?), how well promoted they are and yes how good the artist is etc i think how an artist plays their cards is a big thing but luck is a big factor also. Im still trying to figure out how the beatles were so huge. I think it was the timing their new style of music after society went thru big changes. But their music to ke is meh and their vocals stink John Lenons Solo immagine i think was huge for its meaning and the time it was released... But those vocals, every cover i heard is better than the original Anyway i have a list of a few Artists i think will be remembered and Artists that wont since the new milenium. It has nothing to do with whether or not i like them, its from what i see. ARTISTS TO BE REMEMBERED: -Eminem -Beyonce -Britney Spears -Lady Gaga -Rihanna -Justin Bieber ARTISTS TO FADE AND BE FORGOTTEN: -Ariana Grande -Iggy Azalea -Ke$ha -Lorde -Jason De Rulo -Megan Trainer QUESTION MARK???? - Katy Perry (I will know after next era) -Adele (shes huge but if shes gonna release every 5 years with 1 or 2 hits dont expect legend status) -Nikky Minaj (I just dont know) Questionable choices there. Lorde has only released one album and is still being talked about 3 years later and you think she will be forgotten? Nicki is already forgotten. Rih and JB are not on the level of certain remembrance. Not even Gaga is, but I believe in her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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