LG5 might be a bigger disappointment than ARTPOP

[Noir 17,346]

I don't really care if it's a flop as much as I did with ARTPOP (which isn't even a flop it's just deemed to be because it didn't sell as well as her other albums). I'm her for her talent, performances, creativity and musicianship, not how many views and sales she can scrape. Beyoncé hasn't had a major hit since Drunk in Love and she's still one of, if not the most prominent female in popular culture at the moment similar to Gaga and how she is viewed. Her talent isn't verified in sales but work ethic, quality and meaningful music which make statements and individuality. If I wanted to stan for a sales queen I could easily hop on the Trainor/Perry/Swift/Grande bandwagon but I praise talent, not manufactured and often sales-hungry pop music.

[brizoda 3,855]

It could be that it was a disappointment for their fans but not for the GP????

[malazam 15,710]

13 hours ago, Mister Gaga said:

But what about AURA? Can any of the pop girls make something like that by themselves? What about Venus and G.U.Y? Are they really different from The Fame's tracks?

What about Pop/Rock gem MANiCURE? EDM's version of Monster aka Swine? MJH?

What about The #1 That Got Away aka Gypsy? I recommend you to

I love you

Show 'em how this works

[Mister Gaga 22,920]

7 minutes ago, malazam said:

I love you

Show 'em how this works

yo también 

[eifulien 2,962]

4 hours ago, VenusAsABoy said:

Sure, hun. Let me start with a recap of some of the things that happened in ARTPOP and what she said about LG5.

She broke off with her manager mainly because of the things he made her do but never wanted to. Some things may be personal between them or the fact that she is a hard-worker who gets things done but always being pushed to the limit without enough time to make a proper album in between tours.. This might explain when she said LG5 is going to be even better than all the things she has done in the past as Lady Gaga because she finally has some time to perfect her next album.

Then, I could explain song by song in the album for you. While they definitely served as her inspiration for each one of them, no one could really dismiss that they are real problems for her.

The songs that really showcases her creativity and probably what the album should've sound like were Venus, G.U.Y, Sexxx Dreams, and MANiCURE. But the answer to your question comes from Mary Jane Holland, Swine, Donatella, Dope, DWUW, Aura, and ARTPOP.

Mary Jane Holland, to me, sounds like she is labeling herself as a wh0re of the industry. This song explains her full transformation hence the, "brunette starts to sprout". Also, weed might be her way to escape kinda. She has that pic wearing weed clothes (lol) and she looks so drunk in it too.

Dope. Why did the original song (I Wanna Be Wih You) even change? Does she hate it so much or that her management was in complete control of what she does? The original song made more sense. Now the new one seemed to be her cries for help. Think about it. She might be overdosing on some of that stuff.

Swine, this song is her f*** you to the management. She has had enough and she wanted to be a bad b!tch about it. Also, Pigrez Hilton 

Aura, in correlation with Swine just basically saying she is a tough cookie. Unafraid of anybody. So she gave us 3 years before the next album 

DWUW. Same thing. But being a pop icon is one thing that she will never stop. Didn't she say one time that the only time she stops singing or something like that is when she is dead?

ARTPOP. Her entire work explained in one word. It does mean anything (flexibility, difference in style per album) and another beginning has just started. But it's also mock to the industry.

Then came Donatella, and look. She sold out on this song. Completely contradicting what she sung in ARTPOP. Why is this even in the album? To make friends with her or that the album required sponsorship? Sound fishy and desperate to me. More sold out songs are Dope, Jewels N Drugs, and DWUW ft the RnB King.

I think the album was supposed to end at Gypsy because it explains her whole adventure and how she loved it. Applause felt so extra afterwards. I've no idea whose decision it really is that this made into the album or how it even became the lead single. But I'm leaning more towards that it was because of her management and that saying a fan requested it might be just a marketing gimmick.

I might be reaching for the stars tho but this is how I feel about them.

Thanks, I actually agree with you, even though I've spent days here to defend ARTPOP. 

ARTPOP remains her album on which she demonstrates erratic behaviour and she has never sounded more damaged than that.

I remember her Billboard Woman of the Year interview where she admittedly implied BTW and ARTPOP could've been better, but she wasn't given enough time to honour her creativity. She also low-key bashed the audience for always wanting the perfection that is abundant on TF and TFM. But GGD haters were very fast to judge she hates BTW and ARTPOP which is simply a lie. She acknowledged they had more potential but both albums carry a heart, warmth that's not present on her first two records exactly because of this mania chasing the perfection.

I think the music we got on ARTPOP actually makes sense. I believe the BTW backlash did get to her in a bad way. There was also accumulation of the pressure of her constantly fighting labels, management, media, basically everyone to get stuff done in her way. I also believe there was a slightly different version of ARTPOP that she wanted to release and previewed to the label. After she got the red light, things changed with her. Here's the time I want to say that some monsters are delusional to think that ARTPOP of 2012 was a completely different album. The core was saved for the actual release. I think we would have got the more experimental less-pop songs if she had succeeded in convincing the label but the music style is this one. It matches her descriptions of a celebration/fun night at the club. Ofc, it's also untrue to speak that this is the perfect ARTPOP she wanted because she began talking about Act 2 since Day 1 of release. This for me signlas there was really important material for her that didn't make the cut. But at the end of day, she has made it clear she is happy with what she did, and she is proud of ARTPOP. The problem was she was tired of fighting to get things done her way.

And this leads me to your main concern about the album. It feels like she didn't want to give with this album. It matches her words "Man, you're way too talented for this sh*t, they don't deserve this, they won't appreciate it, it's too beautiful." If I were her after BTW's reception I'd feel even worse tbh. And I think that's how she ditched the piano. And started making and using already made beats.

ARTPOP as a concept is very interesting to me, and the origin is infinitely good and positive. The origin of the songs on ARTPOP is infinitely dark, in contrast. She felt the need to surround herself in this surreal acidic beats. She desperately needed a celebration, something positive that reminded her of why she fell in love with the music (the club). And she used this to pour all the energy, all the pain exploding into electronic music. She has stated ARTPOP comes from a person deeply passionate that is trapped in a cage and is willing to go outside.

That cage was partly her own trap she set during TF/TFM. While being ironic in the promo (she's over, not her again) at first, ARTPOP became her exact decay of the blond popstar. ARTPOP was an attempt to prove she is not just a costume, a gimmick. But people had already written her off and didn't care to listen to her side of the story. ARTPOP as much as it is a return to her first two albums' theme is also a result of them, a contra-statement.

I think she felt like giving less because she will be misunderstood again even when she gives more (as in BTW).

ARTPOP also has this story arc of illusion. You nailed MJH and most of the songs imo. And tbh the whole story of the album is not different. Songs that explain what's going on behind the scenes are Aura, ARTPOP and Applause. From Venus to MJH she is like under the influence or having a good trip that goes bad mid-way. She sounds high on this album, and totally lost and out of touch until Dope comes, when she sobers and realises she can't do this anymore. And she turns to her fans and the music in Gypsy and Applause. Both songs symbolise what she hoped the whole ARTPOP as an era would be. She was hoping the music would stimulate the creativity, the free spirit of the fans, but she was also in desperate need for a helping hand. It makes me sad that exactly this album full of passion, anger, and pain, is her least liked from the fanbase (I mean that'd be okay, but some are mocking it like haters bashing it). She's never been more open and broken. The album showed a very dark and damaged side to her, all while hoping that the fans would still love and understand her and the art world will be there to help and fix her. 

[PaperIz 7,346]

7 hours ago, Son of ARTPOP said:

Could you explain your view more thoroughly. I found it very interesting so I'd appreciate it to hear more on that. 

To all the guys that defend ARTPOP's musical content and blame it on promotion - please help me understand what was so bad about the album promo cycle? (it's a genuine question, not a flamebait) I remember her appearing on so many shows and events in 2013. She was everywhere basically. I think she did her job right, even though she didn't spark interest in her work. Was promo for previous albums better?  I just can't imagine a singer doing much more than she did - VMAs, magazine covers, morning shows, night shows, Muppets, exhibitions, etc. The only legit promo fail was the release G.U.Y. She dropped the video and just let it die. That was the only bad promo job imo. The rest had to do with managerial issues I believe. At least the app, the singles changes, the unreleased DWUW all harmed the album promo but it wasn't the lack of promotion that hampered the campaign, which I believe was quite heavy. Discuss, please! @NathanAngelis @PaperIz  @keith ink @Tom Hardy 

To the OP: I think those fans who are expecting her to return to TF/M style are in for the biggest meltdown. Judging by her albums so far, I've come to expect her to always be different. 

Your post is valid and absolutely wrong at the same time.  You do bring valid criticism of ARTPOP's weaknesses but also serve a very flat superficial view on the album's theme sounding like someone from the GP was given the task to evaluate the album.

1) ARTPOP is a big improvement over BTW when it comes to the quality of the recording process. Sure, it's a very loud album but a lot of work was put into creating the flow, the beats, etc. It's not cohesive like TFM and it is quite diverse lyrically, also channelling various genres but it flows very well as a loud electronic "story" (even with the "crash"  that is Dope).

2) Yes, ARTPOP is not an album where she shines with vocals. She always has some songs on her albums that performed live prove her singing talent, but on her albums in general she's had somewhat limited time to showcase vocals. ARTPOP, wasn't as a radical departure as BTW was. So yeah, creatively it was not necessarily new for her, it was a return to the theme of The Fame, but she gave a more introspective, personal view on it, also trying to explain what she's been about all this time. 

3) There are plenty of people who wouldn't question ARTPOP's quality if it had the sales, which is truly sad, but many here know the reasons for this lie in a very different place.

4) Overall you've either failed to get the context of the album or just decided to ignore it. Gaga has stated numerous times ARTPOP demonstrates immaturity on purpose. She has admitted it has been dumbed down while still bringing up important points and topics. She makes a very bold statement with a seemingly flat and simple pop music. And that's where her genius is with this album in my opinion. No one else in pop is capable to execute such a twist. It's a firm continuation of the firm statement Pop music is not low-brow. And she ultimately requests on the album freedom through her passion and her pain. And for me it's even more amazing than BTW's freedom cause because she manages to pull this through with the opposite approach in the music.

Now before you drag me, I'm not saying it's perfect. ARTPOP is not the album with which you stay in the industry for a logn time. But most mishaps during the era are outside the music, honestly. Maybe exploring the concept was doomed and flawed by design. One thing is undeniable - too much happens on the album to be deemed as a flop, ordinary pop, boring and low quality.

So, LG5 could be a bigger disappointment than ARTPOP commercially, musically, etc. However, it is not likely. I hope it will be a music less reliant on a concept in order to be understood. The music should be capable to speak for itself on its own. ARTPOP was charming but also too ambitious of a project heavily relying on things outside the songs which were not under Gaga's full control. 

Basically, after applause the whole promotional campaign crashed and burned. Like completely. The venus/dwuw mess then GUY coming so late. It started out good, but it just stalled out and that made the fickle people decide it wasn't a good album which is ridiculous. 

[christinahoney 383]

17 hours ago, Regiment said:

 

ARTPOP was mediocre and lucklaster. The only standouts were Do What U Want, Applause and the title track

EDIT: Dope too. 

Dope? 

 

....

*SWOOSH*

...

 

what was that?

oh

it was your credibility flying out the window

[Regiment 901]

9 minutes ago, christinahoney said:

Dope? 

 

....

*SWOOSH*

...

 

what was that?

oh

it was your credibility flying out the window

 

kiii u bitch 

[HANZ 4,380]

I'm pretty sure she can't make a worst album than ARTPOP

[christinahoney 383]

1 hour ago, Regiment said:

 

kiii u bitch 

[WORLDofGAGA 2,274]

19 hours ago, neptugne said:

Tbh if LG5 is another ARTPOP her pop career would be over for a while imo

so I think it'll be extra amazing to prevent that 

This! I'm feeling the same 

[XoXoJoanneGaga 629]

11 hours ago, Son of ARTPOP said:

 

Your post is valid and absolutely wrong at the same time.  You do bring valid criticism of ARTPOP's weaknesses but also serve a very flat superficial view on the album's theme sounding like someone from the GP was given the task to evaluate the album.

1) ARTPOP is a big improvement over BTW when it comes to the quality of the recording process. Sure, it's a very loud album but a lot of work was put into creating the flow, the beats, etc. It's not cohesive like TFM and it is quite diverse lyrically, also channelling various genres but it flows very well as a loud electronic "story" (even with the "crash"  that is Dope).

2) Yes, ARTPOP is not an album where she shines with vocals. She always has some songs on her albums that performed live prove her singing talent, but on her albums in general she's had somewhat limited time to showcase vocals. ARTPOP, wasn't as a radical departure as BTW was. So yeah, creatively it was not necessarily new for her, it was a return to the theme of The Fame, but she gave a more introspective, personal view on it, also trying to explain what she's been about all this time. 

3) There are plenty of people who wouldn't question ARTPOP's quality if it had the sales, which is truly sad, but many here know the reasons for this lie in a very different place.

4) Overall you've either failed to get the context of the album or just decided to ignore it. Gaga has stated numerous times ARTPOP demonstrates immaturity on purpose. She has admitted it has been dumbed down while still bringing up important points and topics. She makes a very bold statement with a seemingly flat and simple pop music. And that's where her genius is with this album in my opinion. No one else in pop is capable to execute such a twist. It's a firm continuation of the firm statement Pop music is not low-brow. And she ultimately requests on the album freedom through her passion and her pain. And for me it's even more amazing than BTW's freedom cause because she manages to pull this through with the opposite approach in the music.

Now before you drag me, I'm not saying it's perfect. ARTPOP is not the album with which you stay in the industry for a logn time. But most mishaps during the era are outside the music, honestly. Maybe exploring the concept was doomed and flawed by design. One thing is undeniable - too much happens on the album to be deemed as a flop, ordinary pop, boring and low quality.

So, LG5 could be a bigger disappointment than ARTPOP commercially, musically, etc. However, it is not likely. I hope it will be a music less reliant on a concept in order to be understood. The music should be capable to speak for itself on its own. ARTPOP was charming but also too ambitious of a project heavily relying on things outside the songs which were not under Gaga's full control. 

Yea Born This Way's recording process was very flawed as well as it was largely done on the road - some of it even in her tour bus - but the album still came out sounding richer and superiorly engineered (not saying much but still). AP sounds incredibly tinny and cheap in many areas and is overall extremely processed and brick walled in it's own way. Look at the waveforms for MANiCURE for example (the one on the bottom), it sounds like it was made in garageband to begin with and then what little dynamism the track may have had was destroyed in post-processing. This isn't what a song that'd had care and quality put into the recording process looks like:

And I'm not trying to drag you lol but your fourth point isn't really saying anything. First of all, if an album requires outside knowledge of context in order for it's critical and thematic content to be understood on any level, rather than read through the music itself, then it's failed as a meaningful piece of work. But ARTPOP doesn't even achieve the former as there's no coherent thematic narrative or critical treatise that can be written about the surrounding context and era in which the music was released that can then be strongly supported by the content of the album itself. I've seen people try to do that and they always end up with a bunch of hot air and non sequiturs that don't apply to anything, similar to Gaga's own meandering explanations of the concepts behind her work during the promotion for the album. You say the album makes a bold statement by being intentionally immature, flat and simple, and that that somehow makes it not lowbrow? 

But if you do have further elaborations I'd be happy to hear them 

[Xoxo Adriana 15,040]

20 hours ago, Regiment said:

??

ARTPOP was mediocre and lucklaster. The only standouts were Do What U Want, Applause and the title track

EDIT: Dope too.??

I don't think the title track was a standout. And remember that G.U.Y hit the top 10 in my country (Australia) and many other countries. I will admit Venus was good however it somehow didn't stand out.

[fede ARTPOP 6,737]

ARTPOP is a pop gem, the songs are great pop music, the videos, the cover, the performances, all is beautiful. The sales werent that great because it was her 4th album, she wasnt anynore the NEW GIRL, every artists get downs in sales after some years, see Madonna, Britney, specially artists which GP hates like them, would you prefer Gaga to be like Katy Perry ot Taylor Swift? Basic btches with no talent but with high sales ? I CHOOSE THE TALENT AKA LADY GAGA

 

LG5 will slay, just like ARTPOP did, at least for me

[GANGIE 5,420]

ARTPOP wasn't bad album... gaga was in the bad condition during that era.. that's all. And I don't think that the expectations for LG5 are too high because we all know that we can expect ANYTHING (I know, her ARTPOP was supposed to mean ANYTHING too ) because we don't know ANYTHING about it yet. Gaga always delivers good music but she kinda messes with mastering and mixing. I only have a huge expectation for high quality stuff. I'm not worried about the rest.