Sanders Campaign Manager: Hillary's Foreign Policy Caused ISIS

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Just now, MJHolland said:

Lolol I love how your BEST defense of Hillary Clinton is "...well it wasn't ALL her fault..."

She definitely is responsible for his actions. I'm pretty sure a background check would have shown something that screamed "homicidal tendencies for religious minorities in Iraq", dontcha think?

Well because we're talking about this particular instance of the Iraq war, which I agree was not her best moment in her career. I'm not going to attempt to defend her other than it wasn't her fault alone throughout the course of the events.

[MJHolland 12,725]

(New Clinton campaign slogan)

"Hillary for President 2k16 -- This Wasn't ALL Her Fault, You Know?"

@LebaneseDude

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

1 minute ago, MJHolland said:

(New Clinton campaign slogan)

"Hillary for President 2k16 -- This Wasn't ALL Her Fault, You Know?"

@LebaneseDude

This is the only time I've ever said this hahaha

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As I said, many would not necessary disagree with what's being said. It's mostly that it HAS been said by a fellow Democratic nominee. This is pretty much the first time **** has gotten this real. People are shocked.

I know you're used it since you align with the GOP, but Democrats aren't :P

[Tresor 1,649]

2 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

Because it is? As I said, it wasn't her decision alone and the ramifications are not hers to blame. She had a part in it in the long run, but back then it wasn't exactly predictable. 

Remember I'm from Lebanon. That kind of mistake is nothing compared to what my politicians do. I suppose I have a level of tolerance that exceeds yours.

There we go.

Yea well America is a lot bigger and more powerful than Lebanon so we can't let our corrupt leaders off the hook so easily.

 

[MJHolland 12,725]

Just now, LebaneseDude said:

Well because we're talking about this particular instance of the Iraq war, which I agree was not her best moment in her career. I'm not going to attempt to defend her other than it wasn't her fault alone throughout the course of the events.

I would say voting for the Iraq war while in the Senate was actually one of her less egregious f*ck ups. It still would have passed without her.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

3 minutes ago, mattwiththehat said:

Yea well America is a lot bigger and more powerful than Lebanon so we can't let our corrupt leaders off the hook so easily.

 

Oh come on stop calling her corrupt as if she's oozing poison from her veins. She has some negative qualities but her positive ones outweigh them. In your view, the same can be said about Sanders (I think? Unless you think he's Jesus 2.0) That you are insisting on imposing the objective quality of "corrupt" based on nothing but GOP rhetoric, I'm not going to take your opinion seriously.

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Just now, LebaneseDude said:

Oh come on stop calling her corrupt as if she's oozing poison from her veins. She has some negative qualities but her positive ones outweigh them. In your view, the same can be said about Sanders (I think? Unless you think he's Jesus 2.0) That you are insisting on imposing the objective quality of "corrupt" based on nothing but GOP rhetoric, I'm not going to take your opinion seriously.

I cant take yours seriously either when you write of mine as intolerant based off of where I'm from.

[En_Sabah_Nur 9,366]

5 minutes ago, Brainiac said:

 No one's deflecting anything. The comments you made are not on topic with this thread. This thread is about foreign policy and ISIS. And if you wanna play that game it looks like you just did the same thing by not acknowledging ANY of the points I made in MY post.

Because I already acknowledged that she voted for the Iraq War, what more do you want!???

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

1 minute ago, mattwiththehat said:

I cant take yours seriously either when you write of mine as intolerant based off of where I'm from.

Where are you from? I mean honestly where have you lived that you have not experienced the reality of life?

Dealings in international affairs are always dirty. Humans suck. The world stage isn't Vermont.

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Just now, LebaneseDude said:

Where are you from? I mean honestly where have you lived that you have not experienced the reality of life?

What a dumb, pretentious question. 

[MJHolland 12,725]

1 minute ago, LebaneseDude said:

Oh come on stop calling her corrupt as if she's oozing poison from her veins. She has some negative qualities but her positive ones outweigh them. In your view, the same can be said about Sanders (I think? Unless you think he's Jesus 2.0) That you are insisting on imposing the objective quality of "corrupt" based on nothing but GOP rhetoric, I'm not going to take your opinion seriously.

She deleted HALF the email off her private server she used to sent classified information on before giving it to the Feds. THAT is corrupt alone, not to mention lying to the American public about a terror attack to her administration seem like it wasn't oblivious to a planned out terrorist attack on a US embassy building on the anniversary of 9/11, or receiving hundreds of thousands of dollar from foreign leaders (many oppressive ones) to her "foundation"...

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

1 minute ago, mattwiththehat said:

What a dumb, pretentious question. 

Well...you are claiming that you want someone who is completely clean, as if that person exists. Even Sanders has his problems. Considering his career, do you honestly believe any of his qualifications are in the same scope as Clintons? Vermont = Earth? 

**** happens when you deal with things on the international scale. There's a lot less control, and more ****ing up. Stop trying to pin her as a failure.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

6 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

She deleted HALF the email off her private server she used to sent classified information on before giving it to the Feds. THAT is corrupt alone, not to mention lying to the American public about a terror attack to her administration seem like it wasn't oblivious to a planned out terrorist attack on a US embassy building on the anniversary of 9/11, or receiving hundreds of thousands of dollar from foreign leaders (many oppressive ones) to her "foundation"...

Regarding your first point, you don't know what was in those e-mails. Perhaps some had her nudes to Bill.

Second point, that was damage control. That tends to happen in international politics. Of course it bit her in the ass and she should have known better, especially in this day and age.

Regarding your third point, welcome to politics. I won't claim to know who the money was from or what it was for. Your candidates do that too.  

Oh and the money in that foundation doesn't go to Clinton (unless you are really pessimistic). It goes to various initiatives. That they are helping her is a quid pro quo in diplomatic affairs. (Although I'm sure she snuck a couple of thousand to pay for a brand new car  ) Political leaders give gifts. It's how diplomacy works, since a lot of it has to do with good will.

[MJHolland 12,725]

7 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

Regarding your first point, you don't know what was in those e-mails. Perhaps some had her nudes to Bill.

Second point, that was damage control. That tends to happen in international politics. Of course it bit her in the ass and she should have known better, especially in this day and age.

Regarding your third point, welcome to politics. I won't claim to know who the money was from or what it was for. Your candidates do that too.

The point is, is that none of us will ever know why she deleted half her server herself and we'll never know what was on it, how does that not concern you?!

And John Kasich doesn't get money from oppressive Sheikhs and he had actual executive experience that's applaudable. Hillary had lies and failures... but she got boned by Bill Clinton so we're just going to ignore all her failure and crown her empress I give up have a nice day.

Talking to an HRC supporter is like talking to a brick will sometimes. No matter how many fact you point out they'll never admit they're wrong... it's almost like trying to convince someone God isn't real! They already know there's nothing to support their faith in God (or Hillary...) so you can't talk sense into them lolol

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

1 minute ago, MJHolland said:

The point is, is that none of us will ever know why she deleted half her server herself and we'll never know what was on it, how does that not concern you?!

And John Kasich doesn't get money from oppressive Sheikhs and he had actual executive experience that's applaudable. Hillary had lies and failures... but she got boned by Bill Clinton so we're just going to ignore all her failure and crown her empress I give up have a nice day.

[spoiler] Talking to an HRC supporter is like talking to a brick will sometimes. No matter how many fact you point out they'll never admit they're wrong... it's almost like trying to convince someone God isn't real! They already know there's nothing to support their faith in God (or Hillary...) so you can't talk sense into them lolol [/spoiler]

It does concern me, but it's too late to worry about now.

John hasn't dealt with people on the international scale. Are you implying he wouldn't get his hands mixed up in that business? I doubt it. When you come down to it, is there a difference between a Sheikh and a local Republican donor?

Don't be a racist and islamophobe! 

Spoiler

That was a joke.