Has Gaga Become Basic?

[eifulien 2,956]

Well such threads are heartbreaking imo. I promised to the OP I will put my 2 cents although I really don't know if it's worth it since many members, too many actually, have this very firm idea of Gaga and her success. Putting her in a box and labeling everything else as basic and not the right way for her to succeed.  Her recent success is almost ignored and most of these members just reject the idea that she could do something else apart from dance pop music with provocative fashion choices and still be successful. I mean, put everything aside, but when did our fanbase become a representation of a bunch of very noisy loud whining people? There are tons of stuff to discuss passionately about Gaga's disography, at least I have some ideas but I never make threads. The threads' content has become absolute junk, unnecessary hate, gif-fiesta, and complaints, complaints, complaints.

If someone is to talk genuinely about ARTPOP or some interesting stuff she did where the message is not easy to get - all you receive is "get it over"; "let it go"; "it won't happen, grow up"; "let the flop rest in piece". And even the questions are some bullsh*t like "what if x was released before y"; "would Gaga succeed if z happened instead of x". Like no one really bothers to talk about what we DID get during her last pop era. Hence your tremendous boredom with lack of new material.

About Gaga becoming basic - in your definition - meaing wearing uninteresting fashion, acting all toned-down and "normal". Then yes, maybe she has become basic if we follow this logic. But it all fits very well. First of all, CTC era was not a time for her to show off eccentric looks. She DID look dazzling, though. She was never casual even for the Jazz standards, always very stylish and classy. 

In AHS she was everything but basic. And for the Golden Globes, for the Oscars, last year's Grammys - isn't it obvious why she had seemingly standard dresses? Once she suffered the burns from her fashion/her visuals overshadowing her talent. Acting and such ceremonies were new grounds for her, it was a must that she shined only for her talent (she still wasn't badly dressed, ever since she adopted this style she has always made it to the best dressed articles). For the Super Bowl - she again showed style, yet let the singing take front stage cause that's what the anthem required. For TIHTY - of course this style was necessary. Gaga has a strong identity and sense of self. The performance needed to be as self-less as possible. The message had to reach out as many women (and men) as possible. It was not a I'm a victim, help me situation. It was I'm a survivor just like all you, and I'm here to raise awareness and help. It wasn't Gaga the superstar. It was Gaga, a survivor of sexual assault standing hand in hand with other women survivors. 

So, whenever she was "basic" lately it always served a purpose. But let's be real she is not basic. She has spent the last 2 years to prove why she shouln't have been deemed basic during ARTPOP (and before that).

Moving on. There is some sort of a contradiction here, though. Firstly, some fans feel during ARTPOP she was dull/boring/uninspiring. Ok. We all have diffrent tastes. For some it was baffling, for others - aesthetically pleasing and inspiring. Others say she didn't bring something innovative to the table, it wasn't fresh. And with this I agree. She brought back the theme of The Fame/TFM. She took a different approach, tried to recreate it and explain to everyone what "she's about", at the end of the day ARTPOP is much closer to her first two albums than BTW. It was too late though. It ricocheted right back at her and she sank. 

So what I can't figure out is why do you want her to go back to her "old self/old style" when she already tried to and her creations were called antics, deemed as flops and what not? You say bring back the old Gaga, but are you blind? It cannot work anymore. Her charm and her key to success was in being fresh, innovative, breaking the status-quo, being politically incorrect, questioning the authority's, the industry's practices. 

Now, I'm confident she is on her way to do this again - bring a new phase but it simply won't mimick TF/TFM. Her biggest mistake won't be repeated. She spent 2 years to reinvent herself and remind the world of her immense talent. Maybe she will bring some daring fashion again, maybe she will have the bops but it won't be solely that. What we can do is wait, give her enough time to figure it out and let her shine and reign again.

I totally feel how much in pain she was during ARTPOP when people got tired of "the costume" and just left her as if there was only this side to her, a gimmick without any visible other talent. She definitely went out of sync, lost direction as to where she needs to go next. But claiming she lost her genius (in the other thread)? ARTPOP - a complete trash?     ARTPOP has it's flaws, the era had lots of obstacles and lost potential. But the music - it's there. It's much more than the average album by the true pop basics. Even though it's supposed to be "just" a fun party music, the amount of time and effort spent into desigining the flow of the album, the beats, the bass, the melody, - is huge. The concept of ARTPOP is her boldest statement as an artist, and it is very interesting theme to explore. Before you feel the need to drag, I'm not saying it's her best album, but it stands out and has its stregnths. BTW is her most socially resonant work and TFM won the hearts of everyone by being very straightforward, simple, yet smat.

Okay, I doubt anyone would read the whole thing. Just no matter what's your opinion and how we disagree sometimes - stop nitpicking Gaga's career. It's not fair and it does no justice to her talent and hard work. Try to appreciate the things she's been doing even if it isn't what you'd hoped for. 

 

[JerellM 1,496]

7 hours ago, mirandavlogz said:

I was talking with others and they said that Gaga has become basic over the past few years.

Tbh it's true to an extent. ARTPOP was dull and basic. Her appearance and performance at the Oscars 2015 was amazing and TIHTY was good too, but besides that I'd say it's fair criticism. She has ditched her whole avant-garde image for a much more "normal" image. Not just musically, but image-wise as well.

Just to note, this isn't a hate thread. This thread is to discuss Gaga's direction over recent years.

I guess waiting for Lg5 has everybody questing our Queen 😑 Get yo head on straight lg5 is coming and we will see if she is basic.💨

[venusfly 17,885]

she was literally at a party yesterday with her tits out

[ryanripley 86,575]

when her career comes to a point where she's releasing a candy themed sims 3 expansion pack, then we can talk about this 

[Shaney 5,515]

7 hours ago, fobbyassLM said:

The chorus is the POP part, rest of it are Art, thus, ARTPOP

aura is just a pure genius song

Even though she didn't compose the instrumental.

 

[keith ink 1,482]

8 hours ago, mirandavlogz said:

I was talking with others and they said that Gaga has become basic over the past few years.

Tbh it's true to an extent. ARTPOP was dull and basic. Her appearance and performance at the Oscars 2015 was amazing and TIHTY was good too, but besides that I'd say it's fair criticism. She has ditched her whole avant-garde image for a much more "normal" image. Not just musically, but image-wise as well.

Just to note, this isn't a hate thread. This thread is to discuss Gaga's direction over recent years.

Being weird is the last thing she needs to do if she has to reconstruct her image and reboot her career

You have to stop with all yo negativity 

[SamJ 8,008]

ARTPOP was in NO WAY dull or basic it just wasn't appealing and interesting to the general public anymore gaga had lost that mystery factor she used to have during the fame and the fame monster she used to be cool and keep things basic and stylish and relatable in videos such as just dance poker face bad romance whereas during ARTPOP everything was mad crazy and no longer cool gaga had lost that control she once had just dance for example is the perfect example of a hit by gaga that is the perfect measure of being fun and a party song and being contained enough for the radio with ARTPOP the singles except dwuw were all weird and not basic enough for the GP.

[Lurk 410]

im pretty hapy for her she must be so much happier from an internal perspective.

 

however uggs are bad

[Neight Shayde 7,925]

ARTPOP wasn't basic. the concept was totally easy to digest (for me at least) even when gaga tries to explain it like it has a totally deeper meaning, but it's far from basic if you compare it to her peers during that time.

Was ARTPOP's instrumentals basic? If i answered that question in 2013, i'd say no, but almost three years have passed since the release and a lot of other artists released EDM-y songs so i'd say kinda

Her decision to sing jazz with tony bennett wasn't basic.

Her and brandon's decision to tone down her style? not basic at all, because it's gaga. crazy was her norm. .

[Killa 17,474]

The stupidity and ignorance demonstraded in this thread, either in the OP or in the comments, really shows who is basic. Are you really so out of mental shape, you can't think of another topic to discuss? Than to make this stupid question.

You should cover your basics aka facts, reasoning, before talking.

[Alien Tulip 12,428]

10 hours ago, ROARyals said:

yes she has and it drives me insane when idiots on here be like "people change! you expected her to her stay crazy forever?" well obviously you didnt, so why did you even sign up here? why do you even stan Gaga? gtfo lol

I know right? I don't mind her more toned down image now but she really looks like another bitch in a dress. I wouldn't mind her toned down image if she had brown or black hair because she would seem less "hollywood". 

[giskardsb 12,565]

Gaga has worked her butt off her entire life to give herself one of the best, most versatile and distinctive voices in music. It's not Gaga who is basic if people can't appreciate that without a bunch of other stuff attached to it.  If you want to call Lush Life basic its your loss. 

Lets not forget that during her "safe" era she was wearing shear dresses with pasties, in case you require a bit of shock value to get interested. 

I'd argue that ARTPOP's "failure" was because it wasn't basic.  It's eclectic, a bit disjoint, doesn't follow formula and has personal lyrics that are not always "relatable". How is that basic?

Gaga needs a fanbase that appreciates all her talents along with her eccentricity.  One that knows that "non basic" artists will have ups and downs with the "GP". That accepts that Gaga has many sides and dimensions to her talent and wants to explore all of it.  One that accepts that sometimes she is nuts, other times reserved. One that will try to learn something new from her each time she changes direction and take time to appreciate her point of view. A fanbase that thinks and grows instead of just reacting or being nostalgic for a version of Gaga they are attached to.

Gaga needs a fanbase that is not basic, and that doesn't measure success by the usual Pop formulas  

She especially needs one that doesn't devolve into negativity and destructive behavior in between pop album cycles. 

 

[Guest ARTPOPSlays]

No

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

What's basic is some fans who can't process Gaga having multiple facets as opposed to one. 

[braybray23 248]

No.