Trump releases statement on abortion

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

On 3/31/2016 at 11:02 PM, Ferrer Zorola said:

I'm sorry but why is he wrong about this? Abortion, like religion, is a controversial topic and there are no "right" or "wrongs." In MY opinion, abortion should be banned AND punished like he first said.

What an idiotic statement. Even if it's an opinion, talking in absolutes is completely ignorant. Furthermore, banning and punishing go hand in hand since banning implies that it is against the law and breaking it is punishable. Having to explicitly say that you wish them to be punished shows that you have some irrational animus towards people regarding this issue.

There are many reasons that call for abortions, from rape victims to terminal pregnancies. 

While they should not be handed left and right like anybody's business, it's not anyone's place to tell someone that they are not allowed to have an abortion when there is likely a very good reason why they need to go through with it. 

In any case banning it won't work. It's as stupid as trying to ban alcohol. There will always be ways to get one. How about we work on helping people that are already alive rather than trying to protect those that aren't even alive yet.

[Morphine Prince 109,975]

6 hours ago, Titzlol said:

 If men could  have abortions you could get one at every Starbucks, Airport, and McDonalds with a free hole punch card with a mcchicken. 

I died  

 

[Morphine Prince 109,975]

Off topic, but I'm surprised this thread blew up days later after it was posted. 

[RodeckDanny 2,474]

Something else I disagree with him! My list is running over 9000!

[Ferrer Zorola 3,966]

55 minutes ago, TiphEret said:

DO you have a uterus? Then you don't get to tell me I am egotistical when you will NEVER have to face such choice. Luckily I didn't either but I had friends who had to and who the **** are you with an ego even bigger than your ass to judge someone without having a clue about their life because you feel that an amount of cells not developed has more right than an actual person? go **** yourself

I know right? that's UNTHINKABLE *sarcasm* 
well that "amount" of cells HAS rights already and if we can decide wether a developing human being lives or not then it would be the same as deciding over a fully developed human being's life no? maybe according to you, murders shouldn't be punished? and stop making it about feminism because I'm an integral person and I would think the same if guys could get pregnant. I'm a virgin and I fear of getting STDs so getting pregnant wouldn't be on my plans either. Every life matters, that's my argument. 

[Ferrer Zorola 3,966]

56 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

What an idiotic statement. Even if it's an opinion, talking in absolutes is completely ignorant. Furthermore, banning and punishing go hand in hand since banning implies that it is against the law and breaking it is punishable. Having to explicitly say that you wish them to be punished shows that you have some irrational animus towards people regarding this issue.

There are many reasons that call for abortions, from rape victims to terminal pregnancies. 

While they should not be handed left and right like anybody's business, it's not anyone's place to tell someone that they are not allowed to have an abortion when there is likely a very good reason why they need to go through with it. 

In any case banning it won't work. It's as stupid as trying to ban alcohol. There will always be ways to get one. How about we work on helping people that are already alive rather than trying to protect those that aren't even alive yet.

and you have to write a whole paragraph just to indicate I made a drafting mistake? that's even more idiotic. 

It's your argument vs. mine and both are valid. For you, an amount of cells doesn't have rights. For me, they do. It's a vicious circle and guess what? neither of us gets to decide who's wrong.  

[LeoFameMonster 1,592]

Not surprised coming from someone who thinks global warming is something China made up lol

What is more entertaining than Drumpf's ridiculous antics/ policies are how his supporters try to reason and defend his crazy haha.

If he shot someone his supporters will be like well the guy didn't pay his taxes so he was cheating the government so Drumpf was right to shoot him.

It is just a sad, ridiculous, circus that has an orange oompa loompa running it.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

30 minutes ago, Ferrer Zorola said:

and you have to write a whole paragraph just to indicate I made a drafting mistake? that's even more idiotic. 

It's your argument vs. mine and both are valid. For you, an amount of cells doesn't have rights. For me, they do. It's a vicious circle and guess what? neither of us gets to decide who's wrong.  

How is it a drafting argument? The emphasis on punishment by Trump and Co. is intentional, and this indicates an irrational animus in this issue. It's not idiotic to point that out.

In your second paragraph, how about you specify humans, because you eat cells on a daily basis. Furthermore, a fetus in the early stages is no different than a benign cancer tumor. Why remove the former and not the latter? If you tell me one is deadly and the other is not, might I point out the physiological trauma pregnancy entails that often leaves unhealthy carriers destined to die giving birth. What about their rights?

What about the right of the mother-carrier (who has cells by the way) to not have to go through nine months of pregnancy when the child is definitely a stillborn? What about the right of an unborn child to not be born without arms and legs and living a normal life? What about the mental health of rape victims who often commit suicide rather than carry the child of their assailant?

Your argument is hypocritical. That's its fatal flaw. It talks about protecting the rights of one clump of cells while ignoring the rights of others. 

So no, your argument isn't valid and there isn't a vicious cycle because you are wrong.

I don't understand why you think your opinion holds any value because it's an opinion. They can be wrong you know, especially when you want to FORCE others to comply with your ideology when it does not detract from YOUR rights or SOCIETY as a whole.

How about you lessen your stance a little? It might make your cause hold some semblance of value, because nothing in this world is black and white and those who ignore that are fools.

[Ferrer Zorola 3,966]

36 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

How is it a drafting argument? The emphasis on punishment by Trump and Co. is intentional, and this indicates an irrational animus in this issue. It's not idiotic to point that out.

In your second paragraph, how about you specify humans, because you eat cells on a daily basis. Furthermore, a fetus in the early stages is no different than a benign cancer tumor. Why remove the former and not the latter? If you tell me one is deadly and the other is not, might I point out the physiological trauma pregnancy entails that often leaves unhealthy carriers destined to die giving birth. What about their rights?

What about the right of the mother-carrier (who has cells by the way) to not have to go through nine months of pregnancy when the child is definitely a stillborn? What about the right of an unborn child to not be born without arms and legs and living a normal life? What about the mental health of rape victims who often commit suicide rather than carry the child of their assailant?

Your argument is hypocritical. That's its fatal flaw. It talks about protecting the rights of one clump of cells while ignoring the rights of others. 

So no, your argument isn't valid and there isn't a vicious cycle because you are wrong.

I don't understand why you think your opinion holds any value because it's an opinion. They can be wrong you know, especially when you want to FORCE others to comply with your ideology when it does not detract from YOUR rights or SOCIETY as a whole.

How about you lessen your stance a little? It might make your cause hold some semblance of value, because nothing in this world is black and white and those who ignore that are fools.

the only one forcing anything in here is you I'm just defending myself from a good looking idiot that offended me first it's my opinion and I'm entitled to have it. 
And so what if I putted emphasis? I admitted it was redundant AFTER posting it smh. 

[Luv u Sum 2,538]

I agree with him and appreciate that he realizes that women as victims in the situation.

[Ferrer Zorola 3,966]

1 hour ago, LebaneseDude said:

How is it a drafting argument? The emphasis on punishment by Trump and Co. is intentional, and this indicates an irrational animus in this issue. It's not idiotic to point that out.

In your second paragraph, how about you specify humans, because you eat cells on a daily basis. Furthermore, a fetus in the early stages is no different than a benign cancer tumor. Why remove the former and not the latter? If you tell me one is deadly and the other is not, might I point out the physiological trauma pregnancy entails that often leaves unhealthy carriers destined to die giving birth. What about their rights?

What about the right of the mother-carrier (who has cells by the way) to not have to go through nine months of pregnancy when the child is definitely a stillborn? What about the right of an unborn child to not be born without arms and legs and living a normal life? What about the mental health of rape victims who often commit suicide rather than carry the child of their assailant?

Your argument is hypocritical. That's its fatal flaw. It talks about protecting the rights of one clump of cells while ignoring the rights of others. 

So no, your argument isn't valid and there isn't a vicious cycle because you are wrong.

I don't understand why you think your opinion holds any value because it's an opinion. They can be wrong you know, especially when you want to FORCE others to comply with your ideology when it does not detract from YOUR rights or SOCIETY as a whole.

How about you lessen your stance a little? It might make your cause hold some semblance of value, because nothing in this world is black and white and those who ignore that are fools.

to be fair I admit that you made me view things from a different perspective unlike other users (you actually presented facts). You should understand that I'm not a proud prick that's blinded, I just defend what I believe in and I'm not the disrespectful one here 

[TiphEret 1,320]

5 hours ago, Ferrer Zorola said:

I know right? that's UNTHINKABLE *sarcasm* 
well that "amount" of cells HAS rights already and if we can decide wether a developing human being lives or not then it would be the same as deciding over a fully developed human being's life no? maybe according to you, murders shouldn't be punished? and stop making it about feminism because I'm an integral person and I would think the same if guys could get pregnant. I'm a virgin and I fear of getting STDs so getting pregnant wouldn't be on my plans either. Every life matters, that's my argument. 

You don't even make thanks. No those cells don't have rights in many country that allow abortion, and why? Well try to make a fetus outside of a womb survive. It won't. It's not because it has a human DNA it has a life. That's why there is a limitation in the amount of week you can get an abortion, because at some point the fetus is developed enough to be viable and such. Where did I say murder shouldn't be punish. You go around saying abortion is murder, yet you don't give a **** about the person carrying the fetus. You say if a guy could get pregnant you would think the same well it's easy for you to say something that will not even happen. Oh so feminist is a bad word for you? yes I know women having agency over their bodies and life, omg so scary when you could boss them around for centuries, and they can't even shut up. I don't care if you are a virgin and are afraid of getting STD's that's your life and choice, am I forcing you to have sex and impregnant someone? No. Even if abortion is allowed it doesn't force anyone to do it. Your freedom of choice remain the same. Whereas according to your so high morals, a woman is a womb on two legs and doesn't have any choice over her own ****ing body because you decided what she should do? Like seriously check yourself, no only you came out as extremely offensive and rude but your opinion doesn't even rely on solid ground, you even mentioned God in your previous post well guess what most laws are made by humans and I think that's for the best. If you want to follow what you think God wants then do it but don't impose on others especially when you sound like a misogynist.

[OmgSum1Actually 3,041]

PEOPLE. 

IF THE ABORTION IS LEGAL YOU CAN STAY PRO-LIFE, BUT IF IT'S NOT LEGAL YOU CANNOT STAY PRO-CHOICE ANYMORE.

LIVE UR LIFE & LET OTHERS LIVE.

[Ferrer Zorola 3,966]

1 hour ago, TiphEret said:

You don't even make thanks. No those cells don't have rights in many country that allow abortion, and why? Well try to make a fetus outside of a womb survive. It won't. It's not because it has a human DNA it has a life. That's why there is a limitation in the amount of week you can get an abortion, because at some point the fetus is developed enough to be viable and such. Where did I say murder shouldn't be punish. You go around saying abortion is murder, yet you don't give a **** about the person carrying the fetus. You say if a guy could get pregnant you would think the same well it's easy for you to say something that will not even happen. Oh so feminist is a bad word for you? yes I know women having agency over their bodies and life, omg so scary when you could boss them around for centuries, and they can't even shut up. I don't care if you are a virgin and are afraid of getting STD's that's your life and choice, am I forcing you to have sex and impregnant someone? No. Even if abortion is allowed it doesn't force anyone to do it. Your freedom of choice remain the same. Whereas according to your so high morals, a woman is a womb on two legs and doesn't have any choice over her own ****ing body because you decided what she should do? Like seriously check yourself, no only you came out as extremely offensive and rude but your opinion doesn't even rely on solid ground, you even mentioned God in your previous post well guess what most laws are made by humans and I think that's for the best. If you want to follow what you think God wants then do it but don't impose on others especially when you sound like a misogynist.

dude I'm practically an atheist the only time I mentioned "God" was when I said you wanted to play him by deciding over another being's life. And stop generalizing? You act as if I was a wife beater lmao go on and have as many abortions as you want but don't get surprised if you can't have kids after that xx 

[Morphine Prince 109,975]

9 minutes ago, Ferrer Zorola said:

You act as if I was a wife beater lmao go on and have as many abortions as you want but don't get surprised if you can't have kids after that xx 

You're speaking as if women just go out and have random abortions out of nowhere. I don't think you should reduce the issue to it being a woman indulging in aborting fetuses.... and also "don't be surprised if you can't have kids after that" ..... umm yeah it happens sometimes but I don't see how it changes anything. Maybe some women don't want to have kids  

There's more to a woman than spreading her legs open, giving birth, and raising kids.