Caitlyn Jenner: "I did not endorse Cruz or Trump"

[JbGaga 2,261]

Just now, GloZell Green said:

Isn't the reason because she says people should support transgendered but gay rights shouldn't be put into play. Nasty remark, she's a hypocrite.

Support ME, cherish ME, but others shouldn't receive the same treatment is basically her policy.

I know plenty of gay people who dont believe in gay marriage. Doesn't make them bad people they just dont belive it. 

Im primarily talking about people who turned on her because shes republican. If you have other reasons go right ahead

[Chic 20,830]

35 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

Just because you don't agree with her doesn't mean she should shut up.

She can endure whomever she believes in and voice her own opinions. Just because she is now in the LGBT community doesn't mean she has to automatically vote for a democrat. 

How about we embrace our diversity - politically and otherwise - instead of trying to force us all into a uniform package for once?

Because out of the few known trans celebrities, she is detrimental in how society views us. And she's the most popular. There's no issue with the way she votes, but should her public opinions be without public criticism? Do you know how much more difficult life has become since Caitlyn came out? People have renewed their license to call me a freak. I've even been called deformed since her coming out. She can do whatever she wants, but on top of everything else she's done, this makes her look like a joke. She never used to talk this much pre-transition.

[Chic 20,830]

Just now, JbGaga said:

I know plenty of gay people who dont believe in gay marriage. Doesn't make them bad people they just dont belive it. 

Im primarily talking about people who turned on her because shes republican. If you have other reasons go right ahead

I turned on her because she's a lousy public speaker and has made life as a transgirl even more miserable than it used to be by endorsing the idea that anyone in transition is some 6'9" sports player or doesn't pass. That's about all I've seen in her show. That's not who we are. There are plenty of us like that, but seriously. There are a ton of transgirls who pass without being suspected of being male. When I go full time in August, that shall be my case as well. She's once again supporting this limited view of trans people and making her life more about her sensationalist headlines than anything.

This is a rare situation. She is just about the only known trans celebrity to most of the population, so **** anyone who implies she doesn't have any responsibility. She's in the public eye making a complete fool of herself (as if you can show me any page or post on any website in which that isn't happening) and as this is one of the few shows on TV that show the alleged "reality" of transpeople, all it's making her and every transwoman look like is a ditzy, shallow, self centered problem to society. And that's how everyone seems to view us, even moreso since her coming out.

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1 minute ago, Chic said:

Because out of the few known trans celebrities, she is detrimental in how society views us. And she's the most popular. There's no issue with the way she votes, but should her public opinions be without public criticism? Do you know how much more difficult life has become since Caitlyn came out? People have renewed their license to call me a freak. I've even been called deformed since her coming out. She can do whatever she wants, but on top of everything else she's done, this makes her look like a joke. She never used to talk this much pre-transition.

She never used to talk this much pre-transition because she never had a show and fewer people payed attention to her.

The cold honest truth is that she doesn't owe anybody anything. She never asked to be a champion or role model of the LGBT community, as evident in the fact that she thinks other issues such as the economy are more important and lift everyone up, not just LGBT folks.

I'm sorry that you've received hate for being transgender, but I fail to see how she has anything to due with it. Adding on to that, I don't think she should have to voice her honest opinions less for living her own damn truth.

I thought maybe you in particular would understand that being trans or gay or anything in between does not define who you are. Why would you try to take away her right to speak her mind? I'm sure you wouldn't tell her to "speak less" if she was promoting trans issues like bathroom rights (and if she did, I think she'd be an even more polarizing figure amongst homophobic people and your alleged spike in harassment would only increase. I again fail to see how her being a republican led to you receiving more harassment). 

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53 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

Just because you don't agree with her doesn't mean she should shut up.

She can endure whomever she believes in and voice her own opinions. Just because she is now in the LGBT community doesn't mean she has to automatically vote for a democrat. 

How about we embrace our diversity - politically and otherwise - instead of trying to force us all into a uniform package for once?

I'm not trying to not let her say her opinions, I don't personally care, I just know that certain members of the LGBT community will absolutely tear her apart for this

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Have they contacted me? No -- which I was kind of surprised," she said.

Gurl get real.

[Chic 20,830]

1 minute ago, MJHolland said:

She never used to talk this much pre-transition because she never had a show and fewer people payed attention to her.

The cold honest truth is that she doesn't owe anybody anything. She never asked to be a champion or role model of the LGBT community, as evident in the fact that she thinks other issues such as the economy are more important and lift everyone up, not just LGBT folks.

I'm sorry that you've received hate for being transgender, but I fail to see how she has anything to due with it. Adding on to that, I don't think she should have to voice her honest opinions less for living her own damn truth.

I thought maybe you in particular would understand that being trans or gay or anything in between does not define who you are. Why would you try to take away her right to speak her mind? I'm sure you wouldn't tell her to "speak less" if she was promoting trans issues like bathroom rights (and if she did, I think she'd be an even more polarizing figure amongst homophobic people and your alleged spike in harassment would only increase. I again fail to see how her being a republican led to you receiving more harassment). 

If she never asked to be a champion or role model, why did she cover a hundred magazines? Why did she order a TV show to talk about her life and then force herself into integration with other transpeople as a way of making it a pseudo-educational program? Why did she have to start making such public comments about the rest of the transgender community during her ESPY's speech? She has all but built herself up as this champion and spokesperson. God knows there are thousands of ways she could have gone with this to diffuse public opinion and come out without it being a moneymaking endeavor. No, instead she went full blast and made her transition a media phenomenon. She is part of the most hated family in America and has set herself up as the ambassador for one of the most hated groups in America.

She is a rare case in that she has a responsibility by being one of the only trans celebrities known to the public eye right now. Nobody's forcing that on her, because she sure sowed the seeds of her publicity since the start. But is she now free from criticism?

Unless you've lived it, you won't comprehend it. A lot of people hardly knew what the term transgender was before here, and how she's brought that word into such a spotlight that just about everyone knows. It's a very different community for trans people than gays, because often we end up going back into the closet, but as a female. This is called stealth. The double edged sword of public recognition is that it becomes harder to go stealth once people in the public eye make themselves very well known. Soon people start to notice the little differences and hone in, and I've seen it happening a lot more since her transition.

Laverne Cox is a great role model because she's well spoken, not a drama queen and is a PR dream for trans people. The amount of respect, dignity and humbleness she shows is wonderful in representing the community. When she speaks, she speaks in ways that pride the trans community and show a very different side. When Caitlyn speaks, it sounds like she really doesn't have any idea what the **** she's talking about, she alienates her own trans friends through her combative personality, and she's all around an extremely selfish individual. She wasn't even that far in transition or knowledgeable about it until she decided to publicize it on a massive scale, so you'd think she'd make it public once she actually knew what she wanted to say. Clearly she has no idea what she wants in relationships, it seems.

I have no problem with her voting Republican. I have no problem with her voicing that in particular. But I'm not going to say it doesn't alienate her from some of her democratic supporters, which were basically the only ones still rooting for her at this point. When celebrities say the honest truth, they get criticized. Caitlyn is not free from it, and don't give me that "she's living her truth now so her opinions should be unrestrained" bullshit. There is no correlation. She was never afraid to speak out as a Republican pre-transition, that's one of the things people really knew about her.

No, actually, you're wrong. I just want her to shut the **** up about anything regarding trans people. She's such a detestable individual separate from her status as a transgender individual and occasional donor to LGBT organizations that she's pulling people down with her. She doesn't know how to speak about or for trans people, she hasn't lived any experience most trans people live. She's sheltered in her little Malibu egg with her millions of dollars deciding what to say next that will ultimately hurt the trans community. But yeah, she's all within her ****ing rights to make an asshole out of herself. Free speech!

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24 minutes ago, Chic said:

I turned on her because she's a lousy public speaker and has made life as a transgirl even more miserable than it used to be by endorsing the idea that anyone in transition is some 6'9" sports player or doesn't pass. That's about all I've seen in her show. That's not who we are. There are plenty of us like that, but seriously. There are a ton of transgirls who pass without being suspected of being male. When I go full time in August, that shall be my case as well. She's once again supporting this limited view of trans people and making her life more about her sensationalist headlines than anything.

This is a rare situation. She is just about the only known trans celebrity to most of the population, so **** anyone who implies she doesn't have any responsibility. She's in the public eye making a complete fool of herself (as if you can show me any page or post on any website in which that isn't happening) and as this is one of the few shows on TV that show the alleged "reality" of transpeople, all it's making her and every transwoman look like is a ditzy, shallow, self centered problem to society. And that's how everyone seems to view us, even moreso since her coming out.

She is a human and has a responsibility to her self and her kids...  No one else. You are demanding she speak for you because shes famous yet condemn her for what she says... She doesn't have to speak for you. She has no obligation towards you or the community. I know your trans. Can you Imagine being 60+ years old coming out to billions of people around the world after being a famous figure for so many years? It must be hard in just a small community or family.

She does not speak for ever trans person. not everyone thinks every trans is like her. Thats like saying Obama speaks for every educated black person because ges president. Its kind of ignorant on both sides not saying you are

[JbGaga 2,261]

21 minutes ago, Auro said:

I'm not trying to not let her say her opinions, I don't personally care, I just know that certain members of the LGBT community will absolutely tear her apart for this

And thats wrong/my point

Equality/ acceptance/ Understanding untill you say something we dont like. Then you worse then dog sh**.  Its infuriating 

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1 hour ago, MJHolland said:

Just because you don't agree with her doesn't mean she should shut up.

She can endure whomever she believes in and voice her own opinions. Just because she is now in the LGBT community doesn't mean she has to automatically vote for a democrat. 

How about we embrace our diversity - politically and otherwise - instead of trying to force us all into a uniform package for once?

wow  

[Chic 20,830]

5 minutes ago, JbGaga said:

She is a human and has a responsibility to her self and her kids...  No one else. You are demanding she speak for you because shes famous yet condemn her for what she says... She doesn't have to speak for you. She has no obligation towards you or the community. I know your trans. Can you Imagine being 60+ years old coming out to billions of people around the world after being a famous figure for so many years? It must be hard in just a small community or family.

She does not speak for ever trans person. not everyone thinks every trans is like her. Thats like saying Obama speaks for every educated black person because ges president. Its kind of ignorant on both sides not saying you are

I'm not demanding she speak for me. I want her to shut the **** up. Imagine being 16 year old with no rights and no way to secure hormones, having to live in a sheltered household with a father that restricted every aspect of transition along the way without any way to wear the clothes or makeup I want and no way to stop the masculinization from occurring until one day I run 1000 miles away by myself only to get hospitalized and put in a psych ward for attempting suicide due to my own personal failures catching up to me, then having two therapists stopped by my dad because he didn't trust them to tear me away from the idea of being trans until he gave up and begrudgingly let me have them prescribed after I got $500 worth of them from an online pharmacy confiscated out of spite? Caitlyn could have easily made this something that isn't a media spectacle. I'd have no problem if she was well spoken, but she isn't. Her ideas aren't so much the problem as the way she conveys them.

No, she doesn't have to speak for me. That's PRECISELY the point. I would much rather her not. Can't do **** about that though, can I? So I live with it. I live with the trans stigma she's exasperated since deliberately making "educational" reality shows about the lack of reality she lives in and represents other trans people as having.

Oh, people are ****ing stupid. Believe me. Plenty see her as being just like the rest of trans people, even justifying their idiotic stereotypes through her personality.

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9 minutes ago, Chic said:

If she never asked to be a champion or role model, why did she cover a hundred magazines? Why did she order a TV show to talk about her life and then force herself into integration with other transpeople as a way of making it a pseudo-educational program? Why did she have to start making such public comments about the rest of the transgender community during her ESPY's speech? She has all but built herself up as this champion and spokesperson. God knows there are thousands of ways she could have gone with this to diffuse public opinion and come out without it being a moneymaking endeavor. No, instead she went full blast and made her transition a media phenomenon. She is part of the most hated family in America and has set herself up as the ambassador for one of the most hated groups in America.

She is a rare case in that she has a responsibility by being one of the only trans celebrities known to the public eye right now. Nobody's forcing that on her, because she sure sowed the seeds of her publicity since the start. But is she now free from criticism?

Unless you've lived it, you won't comprehend it. A lot of people hardly knew what the term transgender was before here, and how she's brought that word into such a spotlight that just about everyone knows. It's a very different community for trans people than gays, because often we end up going back into the closet, but as a female. This is called stealth. The double edged sword of public recognition is that it becomes harder to go stealth once people in the public eye make themselves very well known. Soon people start to notice the little differences and hone in, and I've seen it happening a lot more since her transition.

Laverne Cox is a great role model because she's well spoken, not a drama queen and is a PR dream for trans people. The amount of respect, dignity and humbleness she shows is wonderful in representing the community. When she speaks, she speaks in ways that pride the trans community and show a very different side. When Caitlyn speaks, it sounds like she really doesn't have any idea what the **** she's talking about, she alienates her own trans friends through her combative personality, and she's all around an extremely selfish individual. She wasn't even that far in transition or knowledgeable about it until she decided to publicize it on a massive scale, so you'd think she'd make it public once she actually knew what she wanted to say. Clearly she has no idea what she wants in relationships, it seems.

I have no problem with her voting Republican. I have no problem with her voicing that in particular. But I'm not going to say it doesn't alienate her from some of her democratic supporters, which were basically the only ones still rooting for her at this point. When celebrities say the honest truth, they get criticized. Caitlyn is not free from it, and don't give me that "she's living her truth now so her opinions should be unrestrained" bullshit. There is no correlation. She was never afraid to speak out as a Republican pre-transition, that's one of the things people really knew about her.

No, actually, you're wrong. I just want her to shut the **** up about anything regarding trans people. She's such a detestable individual separate from her status as a transgender individual and occasional donor to LGBT organizations that she's pulling people down with her. She doesn't know how to speak about or for trans people, she hasn't lived any experience most trans people live. She's sheltered in her little Malibu egg with her millions of dollars deciding what to say next that will ultimately hurt the trans community. But yeah, she's all within her ****ing rights to make an asshole out of herself. Free speech!

Um, hello, she's apart of the Kardashians! Nobody on this f*cking planet looks to the Kardashian/Jenner clan for advise on how to form their political opinions girl. I think you're overestimating how important what she says is. Nobody thinks Kanye makes a mockery out of the black community and nobody thinks Kim K makes a mockery out of **** stars (or women).

She never asked for responsibility, she's just a fame wh*re like her kids. Bruce wasn't a good person, and neither is Caitlyn. If you want true equality, then people shouldn't have to change who they are once they come out.

[Chic 20,830]

Just now, MJHolland said:

Um, hello, she's apart of the Kardashians! Nobody on this f*cking planet looks to the Kardashian/Jenner clan for advise on how to form their political opinions girl. I think you're overestimating how important what she says is. Nobody thinks Kanye makes a mockery out of the black community and nobody thinks Kim K makes a mockery out of **** stars (or women).

She never asked for responsibility, she's just a fame wh*re like her kids. Bruce wasn't a good person, and neither is Caitlyn. If you want true equality, then people shouldn't have to change who they are once they come out.

You clearly don't see what I see. People have been confirming their own biases about trans people for months. As if people don't stereotype all Muslims or Mexicans or Asians, you really think Caitlyn isn't helping prove some of those stereotypes right? That in itself is not inherently her fault, but she chooses to speak about trans issues and all it does is make the uninformed think she's well informed. And there's a lot of uninformed mother****ers in this country.

Caitlyn has never been a good person. I just wish she would shut the **** up like Bruce used to, because belligerent people don't fly in the public eye. Especially not when they represent a marginalized group of people.

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12 minutes ago, JbGaga said:

And thats wrong/my point

Equality/ acceptance/ Understanding untill you say something we dont like. Then you worse then dog sh**.  Its infuriating 

I hate people that do stuff like that but unfortunately it's the new norm to whine if someone hurts your feelings and I think she already gets enough hate as it is

[JbGaga 2,261]

2 minutes ago, Chic said:

I'm not demanding she speak for me. I want her to shut the **** up. Imagine being 16 year old with no rights and no way to secure hormones, having to live in a sheltered household with a father that restricted every aspect of transition along the way without any way to wear the clothes or makeup I want and no way to stop the masculinization from occurring until one day I run 1000 miles away by myself only to get hospitalized and put in a psych ward for attempting suicide due to my own personal failures catching up to me, then having two therapists stopped by my dad because he didn't trust them to tear me away from the idea of being trans until he gave up and begrudgingly let me have them prescribed after I got $500 worth of them from an online pharmacy confiscated out of spite? Caitlyn could have easily made this something that isn't a media spectacle. I'd have no problem if she was well spoken, but she isn't. Her ideas aren't so much the problem as the way she conveys them.

No, she doesn't have to speak for me. That's PRECISELY the point. I would much rather her not. Can't do **** about that though, can I? So I live with it. I live with the trans stigma she's exasperated since deliberately making "educational" reality shows about the lack of reality she lives in and represents other trans people as having.

Oh, people are ****ing stupid. Believe me. Plenty see her as being just like the rest of trans people, even justifying their idiotic stereotypes through her personality.

Shes doent have to stfu.  I agree she might not be a great spokes women and  she is mostly a fame *****. She has a voice and no matter what she has the right to say it. People say Trump speaks for the entire republican party which is far from true. But people belive that all republicans believe the same thing. But I dont think that. AND i especially dont think he should be silenced or stfu. he has a rights to speak and I am no one and you are aswell (sorry) to tell anyone to stop talking just because you think they make you look bad. And quite frankly thats your opinion not a fact.