Born To Slay 10,996 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 It's been forever since Minnesota has been updated wtf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Heart 15,041 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Which delegate map are y'all using ▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,656 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Lion Heart said: Which delegate map are y'all using I'm just using Google to look at delegates. Just Google Super Tuesday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltaire 4,531 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, PoshLife said: How much does the money really matter, though? He's outraised and outspent Hillary for a few months now, and he's not improving his polling positions. With Hillary winning more than 60-40 in several states tonight, she's going to have a big delegate lead, and that's not even counting the hundreds of superdelegates pledged to her (they can change their minds, of course). So just tying or winning by small margins in future states isn't going to be good enough for him to make a comeback. Hillary had the same problem against Obama in 2008. I believe him when he says he'll stay in the race until the convention, but I'm really not sure what his strategy is going forward. He needs to do better with Black voters, or do so well with white voters to make up the difference. It matters a TON. Especially when its grass-roots raised. Most of the states that Bernie does best in are yet to come. Obviously, continuing to lose states, or perform poorly, wouldn't win ANYONE the nomination. Look how close the earned delegates were in 2008: Clinton: 1,726 vs. Obama: 1,828 Obviously, I'm not here to dust it in gold and say he has chances he doesn't have. But I will repeat myself: IF he earns more than 400, it's immensely good for his chances. If he earns 300 or less, its absolutely tragic for his chances. Candy is dandy but liquor is quicker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoshLife 17,019 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I was using the one on Politico's homepage - it's not a map, but you just click on the state name and that state's numbers come up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoshLife 17,019 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Bernie just got a very positive update in Minnesota. He might indeed win both caucus states tonight. Though Hillary already has like 1/9 of both states' delegates because of superdelegates Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltaire 4,531 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 8 minutes ago, Born To Slay said: So far, do you think that Bernie can do that? Gotta wait till all the states from today are at least past 80% to really make a prediction. I hope so of course. I'll be sad forever if America passes on a chance to have a leader like Bernie. Candy is dandy but liquor is quicker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,656 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, Voltaire said: I'll be sad forever if America passes on a chance to have a leader like Bernie. We can cry together Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, Voltaire said: Gotta wait till all the states from today are at least past 80% to really make a prediction. I hope so of course. I'll be sad forever if America passes on a chance to have a leader like Bernie. 1 minute ago, Morphine Prince said: We can cry together I'll cry with you guys Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoshLife 17,019 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 7 minutes ago, Voltaire said: It matters a TON. Especially when its grass-roots raised. Most of the states that Bernie does best in are yet to come. Obviously, continuing to lose states, or perform poorly, wouldn't win ANYONE the nomination. Look how close the earned delegates were in 2008: Clinton: 1,726 vs. Obama: 1,828 Obviously, I'm not here to dust it in gold and say he has chances he doesn't have. But I will repeat myself: IF he earns more than 400, it's immensely good for his chances. If he earns 300 or less, its absolutely tragic for his chances. I don't see the logic in that. Again, he's already outraising and outspending her, and the needle isn't moving. The source of the money only matters for messaging purposes - money is money, and other than keeping him in the race it isn't actually helping him lock down the nomination. And with New Hampshire and Vermont in the rearview mirror, no, the states where he does best are not yet to come. I don't think he's going to win any more states by those margins, especially not without more AfAm and Hispanic support. I'm sure he will win more states in the next few months, but like you said, winning by less than 10% basically results in a tie delegate-wise, so he won't make up the delegate deficit he has after tonight. (And a tie really goes to Hillary because of the superdelegate lead she has in every state.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,656 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 The commentators on CNN are losing it. America is in its final days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Morphine Prince said: The commentators on CNN are losing it. America is in its final days. I'm not watching that ****, what are they saying? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoshLife 17,019 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I'll call Massachusetts for Hillary even though none of the networks have yet. I think Bernie will win Colorado by a similar close margin, and Minnesota by about 10%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltaire 4,531 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Just now, PoshLife said: I don't see the logic in that. Again, he's already outraising and outspending her, and the needle isn't moving. The source of the money only matters for messaging purposes - money is money, and other than keeping him in the race it isn't actually helping him lock down the nomination. And with New Hampshire and Vermont in the rearview mirror, no, the states where he does best are not yet to come. I don't think he's going to win any more states by those margins, especially not without more AfAm and Hispanic support. Again, he will win more states in the next few months, but like you said, winning by less than 10% basically results in a tie delegate-wise, so he won't make up the delegate deficit he has after tonight. (And a tie really goes to Hillary because of the superdelegate lead she has in every state.) I agree with ALMOST everything you've said. The only thing I'd counter is that out-raising is a plus, as is out-spending IF it's on the right things: and I believe it is. He's spending to GAIN traction, and is continuing to do so. There are still a lot of people who haven't broken past the memes and actually gotten to know him as a candidate: money is good for helping that happen. There are people who don't heavily use the internet who don't know about him AT ALL (and many states they never aired a single one of his commercials yet). A lot of America has still to learn who he is. Agree on this: if he doesn't start winning states the way she's winning states today, he's obviously going to lose the race. Candy is dandy but liquor is quicker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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