An honest congrats to Sam Smith from this forum (recommended)

[VforVendetta 2,024]

2 minutes ago, Serpentine said:

Well you don't work in the industry so you will never know if it was his fault or not.

Neither will you, which makes respect a more fair judgement than hate.

[Whispering 18,865]

1 minute ago, VforVendetta said:

Really, don't they? Why don't you open a dictionary to learn the meanings of words and then come  to lectrure me.

 

They are both parts of society, homosexuals and artists. When you know respect you respect everyone that has the same rights as you regardless if he is gay, a singer or a garbage collector.

An individual's sexuality they were born with is not left up to how many people vote on their sexual orientation. It is not a subjective opinion. 

[George 363]

3 minutes ago, VforVendetta said:

Noone said that you should agree with the decision though. To congratulate doesn't mean that you agree with it, it means that you respect others.

I have to disagree with your point here. I'm on your side when it comes to dragging him and being disrespectful to him by calling him names, thats petty and immature, mostly because he is not at fault and he didn't ask to win. However the opposite of that is not all of us joining hands to congratulate him.

I wholeheartedly disagree with the academy voters, but my way of respecting their decision is to present my points in a civilized way about it and move on. I will not congratulate the weakest of the five competitors on an undeserved win, that would not be fair. I won't be negative about him, but being respectful doesn't mean I have to congratulate him.

(I'm leaving aside the reactions about his speech, because that issue is way more personal to any individual and it explains some of the reactions, I'm commenting on what you said about being mad at him for winning over Gaga)

[VforVendetta 2,024]

Just now, Whispering said:

An individual's sexuality they were born with is not left up to how many people vote on their sexual orientation. It is not a subjective opinion. 

So if homosexuals weren't born that way it means that society shouldn't respect them? Being a human means respect, culture and judgement. This is what seperats us from other animals. 

[VforVendetta 2,024]

1 minute ago, George said:

I have to disagree with your point here. I'm on your side when it comes to dragging him and being disrespectful to him by calling him names, thats petty and immature, mostly because he is not at fault and he didn't ask to win. However the opposite of that is not all of us joining hands to congratulate him.

I wholeheartedly disagree with the academy voters, but my way of respecting their decision is to present my points in a civilized way about it and move on. I will not congratulate the weakest of the five competitors on an undeserved win, that would not be fair. I won't be negative about him, but being respectful doesn't mean I have to congratulate him.

(I'm leaving aside the reactions about his speech, because that issue is way more personal to any individual and it explains some of the reactions, I'm commenting on what you said about being mad at him for winning over Gaga)

You can judge hm though. Regardless of the fact that uyou think he was the weakest choice he still did win, it's still his achievement so congratulating him is what you need to do as a human(the same as judging him). COngratulating him doesn;t take the judgement away. We are on the same track, you just misunderstood the fact that congratulation deoesn't mean lack of judgement or different opinion.

[Whispering 18,865]

2 minutes ago, VforVendetta said:

So if homosexuals weren't born that way it means that society shouldn't respect them? Being a human means respect, culture and judgement. This is what seperats us from other animals. 

Society doesn't vote on whether someone is gay or not. 

[VforVendetta 2,024]

Just now, Whispering said:

Society doesn't vote on whether someone is gay or not. 

Of course not I agree but we don't have to respect only the things that are given or facts, we also have to respect other people's choices and judgement.

[Whispering 18,865]

Just now, VforVendetta said:

Of course not I agree but we don't have to respect only the things that are given or facts, we also have to respect other people's choices and judgement.

No, we don't have to respect all the decisions voted on in award's ceremonies. That goes for every category at every award's ceremony. People can be disappointed and disagree with the outcome. You can't make everyone agree with every award. 

[Paper Gangsta 6,693]

1 hour ago, VforVendetta said:

it's still his achievement so congratulating him is what you need to do as a human

why do we have to to congratulate him. it's not my duty to congratulate him on his win. how is he any different than the rest of the 50 oscars winners from last night?

[VforVendetta 2,024]

1 minute ago, Whispering said:

No, we don't have to respect all the decisions voted on in award's ceremonies. That goes for every category at every award's ceremony. People can be disappointed and disagree with the outcome. You can't make everyone agree with every award. 

You don't have to respect the oscars of course, you have to respect the artist, the fellow human though.

[VforVendetta 2,024]

2 minutes ago, Paper Gangsta said:

why do we have to to congratulate him. it's not my duty to congratulate him on his win. how is he any different than the rest of the 50 oscars winners from last night?

It's not your duty, you are not forced to do it. It is what you should do. And he is no different than the rest of the other 50 winners, he just was the one to win.

[Paper Gangsta 6,693]

Just now, VforVendetta said:

It's not your duty, you are not forced to do it. It is what you should do. And he is no different than the rest of the other 50 winners, he just was the one to win.

what I'm saying why would I congratulate to everyone? I didn't congratulate to any of the winners cause I was unbothered by it. How is he so special that he deserves a thread about how should I congratulate right him? Should we make a thread about other winners too?

[George 363]

17 minutes ago, VforVendetta said:

You can judge hm though. Regardless of the fact that uyou think he was the weakest choice he still did win, it's still his achievement so congratulating him is what you need to do as a human(the same as judging him). COngratulating him doesn;t take the judgement away. We are on the same track, you just misunderstood the fact that congratulation deoesn't mean lack of judgement or different opinion.

When it comes to my personal decision of congratulate him or not, I guess it goes about my personal interpretation. The dictionary gives two meanings to congratulate: giving good wishes to someone when a positive thing happens, and Praising someone when a positive thing happens. I guess you take it more of the first one, while I'm on the second one. To me, a congratulation would be a form of "rewarding/praising" that I personally dont want to give.

However my point was that when there is 0.0000001% chance that Sam or anyone around him sees these comments, staying neutral is just as respectful as an "I disagree but congrats". My problem is when people are disrespectful even when there is a minimal chance of him reading it, that is just negative and poisoning

[Whispering 18,865]

4 minutes ago, VforVendetta said:

You don't have to respect the oscars of course, you have to respect the artist, the fellow human though.

Respecting the human being behind the award and respecting the decision are two different things. Saying that people shouldn't call him names and that people should congratulate him are two different issues. You didn't present your argument in the right way...you were telling others what they should do...that has been the problem with your statement from the beginning. 

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