Beyoncé offered security by Nation of Islam

[T3ARS 4,132]

LORD the Black Panthers were "Thugs" and "Terrorists" 

https://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/

In October of 1966, in Oakland California, Huey Newton and Bobby Seale founded the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense. The Panthers practiced militant self-defense of minority communities against the U.S. government, and fought to establish revolutionary socialism through mass organizing and community based programs. 

Under pressure from the mass civil rights struggle, the government had made certain concessions: promoting Black officials, mayors, Congressmen etc., but no lasting improvement to the daily lives of most Black people had taken place. In fact, whilst segregation laws had been broken down, the level of poverty had actually increased. Black unemployment was higher in 1966 (after more than a decade of struggle) than in 1954.

32% of Black people were living below the poverty line in 1966.

71% of the poor living in metropolitan areas were Black.

By 1968, two-thirds of the Black population lived in ghettos.

The Panthers realized that the movement needed to progress beyond the battles for desegregation and to address the fundamental economic problems that people faced in their daily lives. They were the first independent Black organization to have a clear analysis of the type of society we live in: one in which a small class hold all the economic and political power and use it to exploit the majority.

Bobby Seale said,

“We do not fight racism with racism. We fight racism with solidarity. We do not fight exploitative capitalism with Black capitalism. We fight capitalism with basic socialism. And we do not fight imperialism with more imperialism. We fight imperialism with proletarian internationalism.”

This was the guiding philosophy of the Black Panthers. But critical to their development was the knowledge that it was not enough to have the right theories, that this must be translated into a concrete set of demands that people can relate to and a clear course of action to achieve those demands. And so the first task of Seale and Newton was to sit down and write a program for the Panthers.

October 1966
Black Panther Party
Platform and Program
What We Want
What We Believe

1. We want freedom. We want power to determine the destiny of our Black community. We believe that Black people will not be free until we are able to determine our destiny.

2. We want full employment for our people.

We believe that the federal government is responsible and obligated to give every man employment or a guaranteed income. We believe that if the white American businessmen will not give full employment, then the means of production should be taken from the businessmen and placed in the community so that the people of the community can organize and employ all of its people and give a high standard of living.

3. We want an end to the robbery by the white man of our Black community.

We believe that this racist government has robbed us and now we are demanding the overdue debt of forty acres and two mules. Forty acres and two mules was promised 100 years ago as restitution for slave labor and mass murder of Black people. We will accept the payment in currency which will be distributed to our many communities. The Germans murdered six million Jews. The American racist has taken part in the slaughter of over fifty million Black people; therefore, we feel that this is a modest demand that we make.

4. We want decent housing, fit for shelter of human beings.

We believe that if the white landlords will not give decent housing to our Black community, then the housing and the land should be made into cooperatives so that our community, with government aid, can build and make decent housing for its people.

5. We want education for our people that exposes the true nature of this decadent American society. We want education that teaches us our true history and our role in present-day society.

We believe in an educational system that will give to our people a knowledge of self. If a man does not have knowledge of himself and his position in society and the world, then he has little chance to relate to anything else.

6. We want all Black men to be exempt from military service.

We believe that Black people should not be forced to fight in the military service to defend a racist government that does not protect us. We will not fight and kill other people of color in the world who, like Black people, are being victimized by the white racist government of America. We will protect ourselves from the force and violence of the racist police and the racist military, by whatever means necessary.

7. We want an immediate end to police brutality and murder of Black people.

We believe we can end police brutality in our Black community by organizing Black self-defense groups that are dedicated to defending our Black community from racist police oppression and brutality. The second amendment to the constitution of the United States gives a right to bear arms. We therefore believe that all Black people should arm themselves for self-defense.

8. We want freedom for all Black men held in federal state, county and city prisons and jails.

We believe that all Black people should be released from the many jails and prisons because they have not received a fair and impartial trial.

9. We want all Black people when brought to trial to be tried in court by a jury of their peer group or people from their Black communities, as defined by the constitution of the United States.

We believe that the courts should follow the United States constitution so that black people will receive fair trials. The Fourteenth Amendment of the US constitution gives a man a right to be tried by his peer group. A peer is a person from a similar economic, social, religious, geographical, environmental, historical and racial background. To do this the court will be forced to select a jury from the Black community from which the Black defendant came. We have been and are being tried by all-white juries that have no understanding of the “average reasoning man” of the Black community.

10. We want land, bread, housing, education, clothing, justice and peace. And as our major political objective, a United Nations-supervised plebiscite to be held throughout the Black colony in which only Black colonial subjects will be allowed to participate, for the purpose of determining the will of Black people as to their national destiny.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter such principles, and organizing its powers in such a form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and, accordingly, all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

http://www.socialistalternative.org/panther-black-rebellion/the-black-panther-party-for-self-defense/

 

FYI, The Black Panthers used there 2nd amendments right correctly and were not just going around  beating up cops and destroying things. The were a group that policed the police, because they had too for the betterment of black people. 

Also, I like to add that, just because someone for a small group of people say they are tied to a movement does not mean they are, and their actions should not overshadow the many peaceful protests that are not shown on Faux News or other controlled media. 

ALSO, Here is an example of a real terrorist group right here in America, 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/03/why-arent-we-calling-the-oregon-militia-terrorists/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/03/opinions/kayyem-oregon-building-takeover-terrorism/

http://time.com/4166975/oregon-protesters-terrorists/

[lego 44,165]

1 hour ago, BlTCH said:

i know the potential effect of the video is exaggerated by some people but one of the scenes does show her singing on top of a sinking police car which by itself sends quite a message. the dancing child makes police surrender which i assume people interpret in many ways as well. 

That is reference to Hurricane Katrina.

You should read these

 

http://m.mic.com/articles/134572/5-moments-from-the-formation-video-that-prove-beyonc-is-woke-af#.CMKuXsgaS

 

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/organizer-says-black-residents-were-left-to-die-after-hurricane-katrina_us_55dc805be4b04ae497046f9c

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/08/24/white-people-in-new-orleans-say-theyre-better-off-after-katrina-black-people-dont/

 

[lego 44,165]

2 hours ago, MJHolland said:

 

The problem isn't with the song formation or the video formation. It's about her performance of the song at the Super Bowl where she paid tribute to the Black Panthers. Have you guys been living under rocks?

 

Are you able to read? Cause my reply was to a person claiming that Formation video is an "ad for black people to fight against police".

You have issue with SB, some others have issue with all together - song, video and performance.

I'm not gonna discuss this same topic with you.

[MJHolland 12,725]

18 minutes ago, T3ARS said:

LORD the Black Panthers were "Thugs" and "Terrorists" 

 

Yes. They used violence to achieve political goals. That by definition is terrorism. 

[lego 44,165]

1 hour ago, Edonis said:

You're literally interpreting a moving image as someone's stance for whether or not an entire race can be bad or not. 

Furthermore, the Super Bowl performance was representing black power which was a theme taken from the black panthers. Yes, the black panthers weren't that great of an image for equality, etc. but their message of empowerment has been taken into black culture and used commonly today. Her back up dancers wore those hats and natural hair to represent an empowerment to black females (in my opinion) rather than directly saying "We're the new Black Panthers, deal with it". Because if we're going to go that route, Gaga's entire Born This Way Ball intro, etc. that HEAVILY referenced dictatorships and whatnot to tell a story that held themes of equality and liberation. Similar things in mthe opinion. 

 

Omg Gaga glorified nazis and hitler with Scheiße performance. 

 

 

 

[venusian 4,686]

1 hour ago, MJHolland said:

The gif literally had meaning lmfao. You mad?

the fact that your that pressd over a gif says alot lmfao

[lego 44,165]

For Americans, there's documentary on PBS at the moment

 

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/videos/the-black-panthers-vanguard-of-the-revolution/

 

The Black Panthers: Vanguard of the Revolution

 

[venusian 4,686]

10 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

Yes. They used violence to achieve political goals. That by definition is terrorism. 

why do you think black panthers were a thing?

[T3ARS 4,132]

5 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

Yes. They used violence to achieve political goals. That by definition is terrorism. 

They used violence only if necessary to protect black people from police brutality.

 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/27-important-facts-everyone-should-know-about-the-black-panthers_us_56c4d853e4b08ffac1276462

 

[lego 44,165]

15 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

Yes. They used violence to achieve political goals. That by definition is terrorism. 

 

So why aren't Oregon militia labeled as thugs and terrorists by you and other white republicans?

 

[MJHolland 12,725]

46 minutes ago, VampireHeart said:

 

So why aren't Oregon militia labeled as thugs and terrorists by you and other white republicans?

 

When did I say they weren't terrorists buddy? You're just making that up? I haven't been following the situation too closely but if they are truly using violence and terror then that is a form of terror I suppose (although they lack the illegal network and organization that a terror organization is characterized with). And for the most part, they are labeled as thugs and gangs and even terrorists I've seen on some media outlets.

Also, not a white republican... Just not a bleeding heart liberal looking to j*ckoff Beyoncé, A. Banks, or any other gay pop icon when they do stupid sh*t like race-baiting???

Edit: also stay on topic hunT 

[StrawberryBlond 14,926]

This is what I mean when I say this song is stirring up bad feelings in people. Beyonce is now being supported by shady groups and the most extremist Black Lives Matter protesters. Naturally, this could spell trouble at her live shows, which is why cops are refusing to offer security because they don't feel she's respecting them and how they protect her. Let's consider some important things...

1) Beyonce is not in a position where she is threatened by cops. I don't know if she ever did in the past, but considering she was raised by a wealthy family in a rich area who made her famous at a very young age, I highly doubt that. It's not like the days of NWA who made songs like F**k The Police because as black males in gang situations, they were repeatedly made to feel less than by cops. Their song was eyebrow raising and morally dubious and all but at least they had a reason for making it - personal experience. But Beyonce is the opposite. A famous person like her will never be under threat from cops. On the contrary, cops protect her. They protect her when she's at public events, when she's travelling, when she's doing anything that requires her to be out in public, basically. So, what has she got against cops? Without the personal experience, what made her choose to make an anti-cop song? There can only be one answer - she saw a lucrative opportunity due to the race being the hottest topic around right now. A song about it would stir up feelings among a lot of people, so they'd buy her new work. Generating profits and marketing her brand is what Beyonce is all about. There's been so evidence that she genuinely cares about her people or that she has any profound insights on racism.

2) Beyonce is married to Jay Z - a man who, at the age of 12, shot his brother in the shoulder for stealing his jewellery, sold crack cocaine as an adult and in 1999, stabbed a record executive who he believed was bootlegging his album. Yes, Beyonce is married to a man who shot his black brother, stabbed a black man and dealt cocaine to (probably) fellow blacks, some of whom possibly overdosed and died. As you can see, black on black crime is high. In fact, statistics show that's higher than black on white crime or white on white crime. We don't talk about how most blacks who get killed are killed by other blacks, that black people are more likely to commit crime against their own race. And yet, we're led to believe that the problem is only about white cops killing blacks? It's factually inaccurate. If black lives matter so much, how about the black community asks itself why so many of them are killing each other? Let's look at the reason why white cops are killing blacks. Is it always unarmed blacks? Or is it ones that have actually proven that they're dangerous and may have even killed a cop? Don't get me wrong - there are issues within the police of racial profiling and they are more likely to treat minorities unfairly but at the end of the day, if there was no crime being committed, cops wouldn't be shooting anyone, black or white, right? Let's look closer at the crimes committed in the first place, rather than how the police respond to it. And surely no one's suggesting that a black person who commits a crime deserves to get away with it, right? Surely anyone who commits a crime should be punished?

3) The song actually has nothing to do with tackling racism. It's just that the video convinces you otherwise what with dancing on police cars and signs saying "don't shoot us" and the like. The actual lyrics, from beginning to end, are nothing but Beyonce bragging about how hot she is, how talented she is, how rich she is. And everything is so specific that it could only be sung by her, not just any black person. And certainly not ones with self esteem issues. Beyonce took a social issue and made it all about her - something that no white person would ever be allowed to get away with.

 

This is why I have an issue with Formation. See - whites can be non-racist and intelligent too!

[MelbHawker 6,583]

20 hours ago, MJHolland said:

The problem isn't with the song formation or the video formation. It's about her performance of the song at the Super Bowl where she paid tribute to the Black Panthers. Have you guys been living under rocks?

I disagree with her giving the 'Black Panthers' the time of day and a place in her performance too. It was a really stupid way of creating discourse re: the 'black lives matter' movement. It was as if it was placed in the performance for nothing but shock value.