kennji 546 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 i dont get it. so nobody wants to work with each other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMKKARDASHiAN 8,570 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 6 hours ago, JbGaga said: so shes drunk, shes sleeping, he took a pic saying Hard at work when shes sleeping, but now that they are firends this pic is proof of rape? wtf Don't clutter the arguments with facts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 4 hours ago, Paper Gangsta said: only way they can prove actual rape is by having medical report which at this point is impossible. Also lemme leave this here @CurlyBae. Does this visual help you understand the percentages and facts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 6 hours ago, Brandon said: I'm happy "a personal opinion" doesn't have any solely value in court. I'm happy that we have social media so that you are able to share your thoughts. Courts aren't the only places where people decide what's of value and what's of no value. I'm doing it right now. And so are you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 6 hours ago, LoveandMagic said: I agree. While I believe Kesha and think Luke is scuzzy filth, accusing someone of rape is very, VERY serious. Sure, it's nowhere near as bad as actually being raped and the psychologically and physical scarring of the ordeal, but (particularly professionally) it can have seriously bad consequences on an innocents life. An accusation with no facts present is completely (and legally) irresponsible to do so. We should tread carefully. Also while I don't doubt the sincerity of many on here toward Kesha's situation (particularly those that have been victims of abuse themselves - my heart is with you guys), let's not pretend that if Kesha was a Z-list performer with zero celebrity support in the exact same situation that some people on here wouldn't be calling her bitter failure trying to get publicity by taking it out on everyone's favorite bop master in order to get out of their contract. This is the real reason why so many don't speak out. It's lucky Kesha already has so many fans to support her, but there are many Kesha's out there that in this exact situation would be targeted for attack by the public if they didn't have name recognition. And not just women either. These are some things to think about guys. Now as far as the judge is concerned, I would think at the very least that there is hard evidence the man is incredibly unprofessional with his clients and we even have claims of verbal abuse by others he has worked with. Wasn't there a deposition Kesha had to testify at to defend him awhile back? I'd like to know more about that. If this were any other job this man would be fired and likely sued for harassment and unprofessional conduct. I'm not sure why he is being given a pass here. I don't know the legal boundaries but I wonder if the judge couldn't have ordered Kesha to continue working with Sony but terminate the contract with Luke, or had her buy her way out for a percentage of the contracts value. I think that would be very fair given what evidence is available and if he wanted to whine about that he could be reminded that his brand of sleaze would NOT be tolerated at any every other job in any other industry out there. It would serve as a good compromise, I think. Sure, it may not be what Kesha had hoped for but it would keep him away from her and Sony could still get their money. She could happily work with a different producer or two in a much more productive and less stressful environment. It would also serve as a lesson to producers to start behaving in a professional manner with their clients and keep unwanted comments about their weight to themselves. This is a job, they are being paid, that is their coworker, and that constitutes harassment in every employee guidelines manual out there. Straight fact. I said this the other day. There are many rape victims out there who are not famous like Kesha. Who are suffering in silence. We need as many feminists, and even non-feminists, to reach out and show support and solidarity. Till it happens to us, we can never know what it's like. Let's create a dialogue where survivors dare come out of the darkness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow 6,637 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 What a mess... Stand in the light, cast your shadow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yASSsss 35,510 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 his tweets seem genuine.I don't know what to believe anymore Whatever the truth is,he should just let Kesha go and put an end to this mess. Call me by your name and I'll call you by mine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JbGaga 2,261 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 57 minutes ago, PMKKARDASHiAN said: Don't clutter the arguments with facts. God forbid... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTV 12,842 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 that tmz article is so old Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackTheTripper 866 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 well, we really dont have any informations, all we know is the the tabloid headlines and people trending on twitter, so everyone jumped on the vagon, first and foremost thi isnt just the case od rape accusation we are talking about millions and millions of dollars for both of those people, and wehere is money, especially in the entertainment industrie people are gonny portray victim or attacker whenewer its convenient, its nothing new, what is ridiculous is how people easily take sides get all loud beacuse of internet propaganda... wanst everyone so sure that MJ was pedofile, but nobody even considered that people were trying to milk money through false accuastions...... And now people are seriously donating money for Kesha??? Its stupid beyond reason? She is a millionaire, dont be so naive, she donest get money only from records sales, she is rich as piss, and now money is beeing donated like some charity cause, for what reason? So she can earn more millions from her future label? **** those pore people who really need help, multimillionaire pop star is the real person who needs money . puuuke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackTheTripper 866 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 4 hours ago, yASSsss said: his tweets seem genuine.I don't know what to believe anymore Whatever the truth is,he should just let Kesha go and put an end to this mess. What do you mean whatever the truth is, he should let go? I dont want to take side, i will stay neutral since i am uninformed , but if it turns out she wasnt aboused, she willingly signed contract, become a billionaire and pop star based on huge HUGE promotion and investment from her label, and now she wants to bail out of contract and doesnt want to pay..... i mean that doesnt make any sense at all, it is just also illegal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackTheTripper 866 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 and should we all gnore that in 2011. she was in court and swore under oath that he dint ever raped her or drugged her, than she hreatened to go public with rape claims unless he revoked hers contract, and that was all prior to current situation,her mother also said she hadn't heard anything from her daughter during Kesha's early days with Dr. Luke about drugs, and after being signed with Luke she signed up for representation with DAS, which aimed to bring her over to Warner Bros (unposible if she is stil signed to Sony) If he raped he should be imprisoned, thats racional. BUt when we take in the middle contracts, previous false accuastions and whole lot of $$$$$ involved the situation bring diffrent motivs for people, and we should take every fact into consideratons and not just scream about feminism and empowerment beacuse that is not the issue here, we are talking about social justice for all people (Men and woman) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Apple 13,006 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 5 hours ago, Whispering said: @CurlyBae. Does this visual help you understand the percentages and facts? So what? That isn't opposite to anything that I said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Apple 13,006 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Btw I don't have an opinion on that til we get proof. I want Kesha to be saying the truth tho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatelynnMarie 4,406 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 He tried it. I don't buy it at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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