Why are you treating Oscar win as a fact?

[SISTERV 3,887]

Just now, Miracle said:

You couldn't point out the song was about rape? It's not that difficult to point out the connection. Everything doesn't have to be obvious.

 

Yeah I get what you are saying. And I would agree normally. But in the sense that people are touting this song to be some massive win for rape victims is kind of an over statement for me. 

It would kind of like Gaga replacing "no matter gay, straight, or bi, lesbian, transgender life" in Born This Way to something of the affect of: "no matter how how you present, yourself in physical sense...". Born This Way is the first #1 to mention the word transgender and for that reason, it's a win for the transgender community. If you are vague about it, no one would explicitly state it is a win for transgender people. 

Kinda get what I mean? Yes the song is about rape, but the actual lyrical content is so vague it could mean something as simple as losing your house, or being called a loser, or being kicked out of your home for being gay. Nothing about TIHTY even subtly hints that it is specifically a song about rape victims so I don't think it should be touted as a song that does something culturally massive for them. 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

5 hours ago, Enigma said:

There is a difference between expectations and treating something as a fact.

There is a difference between saying Gaga won and Gaga will win. Most people say the latter, an expectation, rather than the former, a fact.

[andy232000 11,470]

8 minutes ago, LoveandMagic said:

In my opinion, she has already won just by being nominated, but even if she doesn't win the actual award, I'm pretty proud of her.

i would usually go out and say, "thats exactly what losers say" but this time it is true. TIHTY and its message has gone so far its already a win

[andy232000 11,470]

3 minutes ago, SISTERV said:

Yeah I get what you are saying. And I would agree normally. But in the sense that people are touting this song to be some massive win for rape victims is kind of an over statement for me. 

It would kind of like Gaga replacing "no matter gay, straight, or bi, lesbian, transgender life" in Born This Way to something of the affect of: "no matter how how you present, yourself in physical sense...". Born This Way is the first #1 to mention the word transgender and for that reason, it's a win for the transgender community. If you are vague about it, no one would explicitly state it is a win for transgender people. 

Kinda get what I mean? Yes the song is about rape, but the actual lyrical content is so vague it could mean something as simple as losing your house, or being called a loser, or being kicked out of your home for being gay. Nothing about TIHTY even subtly hints that it is specifically a song about rape victims so I don't think it should be touted as a song that does something culturally massive for them. 

Diane and Gaga did that on purpose. they said they didnt want TIHTY to be "exclusive" in that sense. they wanted every single person to be related to the song, not just rape victims. they literally just opened up the windows too instead of just the door by doing this, so the song can really help anyone, not just rape survivors, and it doesnt need to be about rape to be great. in fact, the fact that its not about rape suffering but conquering any suffering is what the message is all about. it is linked to rape cause its what inspired the song, but its maleable to many concepts to help out people in need.

[SISTERV 3,887]

Just now, andy232000 said:

Diane and Gaga did that on purpose. they said they didnt want TIHTY to be "exclusive" in that sense. they wanted every single person to be related to the song, not just rape victims. they literally just opened up the windows too instead of just the door by doing this, so the song can really help anyone, not just rape survivors 

And I don't think that's a bad thing, babe.

But what you just said is why I believe it isn't a massive win for rape victims so much as it is a general empowerment song for any victim. 

[andy232000 11,470]

6 minutes ago, SISTERV said:

And I don't think that's a bad thing, babe.

But what you just said is why I believe it isn't a massive win for rape victims so much as it is a general empowerment song for any victim. 

i see your point, but it is a massive win if you put it together with the documentary, the way the song was released. to anyone but fans will know this song as "the song that talks about empowerment in that rape documentary". it was released as the rape song to the public so people will link it with that, and people will speak up thanks to diane and gaga even if its a universal theme. the closest sturdiest and most well known twist about it is that it its a song against rape. if you want it to be about something else then thats the listeners choice, but the anti-rape anthem is kinda like the "default meaning"

[thierryrreiht 20,995]

5 hours ago, JGD said:

Sis, I think his/her post wasn't serious.

still I see posts like that. serious ones.

[TropicOfCANCER 6,292]

3 hours ago, ViviLittleM said:

do you have a link because

http://www.awardscircuit.com/oscar-predictions/2014-oscar-predictions-best-original-song/

http://www.awardscircuit.com/2016/02/05/2016-oscar-circuit-best-original-song/

 

"Overall, “Til It Happens To You” has the star power that’s been popular in recent years, a comeback story by way of co-writer Diane Warren who is long overdue for the award, and an intense and important subject matter that is just so hard to ignore. That, plus the PGA performance, should boost this track to the winning circle come Oscar Sunday on Feb. 28.

Will Win:  “Til It Happens to You” – The Hunting Ground, Music and Lyrics: Lady Gaga and Diane Warren

Could Win: “Writing’s on the Wall” – Spectre, Music and Lyrics: Jimmy Napes and Sam Smith

Should Win: “Til It Happens to You” – The Hunting Ground, Music and Lyrics: Lady Gaga and Diane Warren"

 

 

edit: also, they've been slow to update their predictions for the technical categories, but aside from this article, they also have their predictions asterisked in green, on the right hand side.

[Bradley 59,064]

Just hope you guys reserve some room for disappointment. With that saying, I do hope she wins.

[Quark 7,098]

4 hours ago, LebaneseDude said:

There is a difference between saying Gaga won and Gaga will win. Most people say the latter, an expectation, rather than the former, a fact.

True, but my point is that many people are sure that she will win. In the case the she looses, they will be very disappointed.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Just now, Enigma said:

True, but my point is that many people are sure that she will win. In the case the she looses, they will be very disappointed.

Well yeah, but that's expected. 

[Quark 7,098]

Just now, LebaneseDude said:

Well yeah, but that's expected. 

Yes. But my main point in making this thread is to make some people realized that Gaga winning is not a given so that they won't be disappointed. I don't have any bad intentions.

[Yanko 9,860]

cause she already bought it. 

[DeleteMyAccount 11,881]

Goldderby is pretty accurate. That's why.

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

Considering how Gaga gave the Oscars one of the most legendary performances of modern times with last years highly acclaimed Sound of Music tribute, and Diane has been nominated and lost seven times already, it feels like everything is in the right place for a victory. But...don't want to get my hopes up. Saying humble. At least we can say that the topic of campus rape has had a shining light and people are now talking about such a prevalent yet unacknowledged issue thanks to Diane, Gaga and the filmmakers of The Hunting Ground.