Pierre 10,480 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Gaga has the greatest live performance of the National Anthem of all time at SB. ❝Is not blue, not turquoise, not lapis. It's actually cerulean❞. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canon 672 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Greatest is subjective. However she did amazing in my opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, Bebe said: fI've always maintained that it was Whitney's voice first of all the led to the reaction. Also let's not get hypocritical when your main argument with everyone here has been "she is receiving universal acclaim for her performance " and "many among the GP also agree with me." It's not like you are the only one who can point towards how the rendition was recieved outside of any personal feelings towards the performance. Beyond that though, I think ignoring the cultural importance of that performance (that not any artist would be able to pull off) is just hugely ignorant. You can't just strip Whitney's rendition of any historical or cultural significance... You can certainly say, as I have said multiple times, that you prefer how Gaga sang the song - that doesn't mean you can ignore the impact and cultural relevance of Whitney's performance and claim Gaga topped her though. It isn't a damn competition, two artists can stand side by side. Both ladies did a tremendous job, if you think Gaga's rendition is up there with the likes of Whitney then fantastic! If you prefer Gaga's rendition over Whitney's then fantastic! You can not objectively claim that Gaga "topped" Whitney's performance. I mean by what standards did Gaga top Whitney anyway? Once again, is ok to point out the acclaim since this is referring to the quality of the performance. Another thing would be to point out the impact and circumstances surrounding a performance. Whitney by all means still has the most historical and iconic performance at this point in time. But as far as the performance itself, I prefer Gaga's version and I also think she did it better. And you are right about this not being a competition. But the fact that this is not a competition doesn't prevent Gaga from "topping" other artists in terms of quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,094 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 38 minutes ago, Enigma said: Once again, is ok to point out the acclaim since this is referring to the quality of the performance. Another thing would be to point out the impact and circumstances surrounding a performance. Whitney by all means still has the most historical and iconic performance at this point in time. But as far as the performance itself, I prefer Gaga's version and I also think she did it better. And you are right about this not being a competition. But the fact that this is not a competition doesn't prevent Gaga from "topping" other artists in terms of quality. "But the fact that this is not a competition doesn't prevent Gaga from "topping" other artists in terms of quality." First of all, you haven't explained once how Gaga's performance is of a higher "quality" than Whitney's. Second of all you are pretending like you are completely objective when you are not. The impact and acclaim and historical context around Whitney does make a point towards the quality of her performance. People dug up her performance and made it chart in the top 10, ten years after she performed it because it's still such a moving and powerful rendition of the anthem. You can say "Whitney by all means still has the most historical and iconic performance at this point in time" all you want but you still miss the point. It's for that exact reason, that you can't objectively come into this conversation and claim that Gaga topped Whitney. You can't just ignore the fact that Whitney's rendition was not only technically perfect but it created such an emotional imprint on people. You also haven't explained how Gaga "topped" Whitney's performance other than that you prefer her voice. Whitney Houston, one of the most acclaimed vocalists of our lifetime in the peak of her abilities performed the national anthem perfectly from a technical perspective and was so highly acclaimed that it's still regarded as the golden standard. Subjectively you can say that you prefer Gaga, but you cannot objectively make a claim like "Gaga topped Whitney". It's not possible to top a performance that created such a huge cultural moment, Whitney's performance was perfect technically and was clearly also a hit the emotional level. You can't top that, no matter how great a singer you are. You can only stand beside such performances. When it comes to taste you can only be subjective. You either prefer one rendition over another rendition. When it comes to bold statements like "Gaga topped Whitney's performance" then you are pretending to be objective. When someone like Whitney delivers such a perfect rendition of the anthem that holds such deep emotional and sentimental importance for so many Americans how can anybody top that? Even if somebody does manage to deliver a rendition that is technically perfect and creates this huge emotional response, you can't really claim that one artist's rendition is better or tops the other.... You could only subjectively decide which performance you prefer. There would be no real objective way to figure out whose rendition is the best. Why is it so hard for you to just say "I prefer Gaga's rendition"? You just have to say that Gaga tops Whitney... That's what is tipping this over from you simply stating you subjectively prefer Gaga to making this a competition and making faux objective claims about which artist tops the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 7 minutes ago, Bebe said: "But the fact that this is not a competition doesn't prevent Gaga from "topping" other artists in terms of quality." First of all, you haven't explained once how Gaga's performance is of a higher "quality" than Whitney's. Second of all you are pretending like you are completely objective when you are not. The impact and acclaim and historical context around Whitney does make a point towards the quality of her performance. People dug up her performance and made it chart in the top 10, ten years after she performed it because it's still such a moving and powerful rendition of the anthem. You can say "Whitney by all means still has the most historical and iconic performance at this point in time" all you want but you still miss the point. It's for that exact reason, that you can't objectively come into this conversation and claim that Gaga topped Whitney. You can't just ignore the fact that Whitney's rendition was not only technically perfect but it created such an emotional imprint on people. You also haven't explained how Gaga "topped" Whitney's performance other than that you prefer her voice. Whitney Houston, one of the most acclaimed vocalists of our lifetime in the peak of her abilities performed the national anthem perfectly from a technical perspective and was so highly acclaimed that it's still regarded as the golden standard. Subjectively you can say that you prefer Gaga, but you cannot objectively make a claim like "Gaga topped Whitney". It's not possible to top a performance that created such a huge cultural moment, Whitney's performance was perfect technically and was clearly also a hit the emotional level. You can't top that, no matter how great a singer you are. You can only stand beside such performances. When it comes to taste you can only be subjective. You either prefer one rendition over another rendition. When it comes to bold statements like "Gaga topped Whitney's performance" then you are pretending to be objective. When someone like Whitney delivers such a perfect rendition of the anthem that holds such deep emotional and sentimental importance for so many Americans how can anybody top that? Even if somebody does manage to deliver a rendition that is technically perfect and creates this huge emotional response, you can't really claim that one artist's rendition is better or tops the other.... You could only subjectively decide which performance you prefer. There would be no real objective way to figure out whose rendition is the best. I truly believe that if Gaga had sung the national anthem back during Houston time when the us war was going on, she was probably going to create the same impact. In other words, circumstances other than just Whitney's technical rendition aided to her impact. Whitney was technically great, Gaga was just technically better. This is not that complicated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,094 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Just now, Enigma said: I truly believe that if Gaga had sung the national anthem back during Houston time when the us war was going on, she was probably going to create the same impact. In other words, circumstances other than just Whitney's technical rendition aided to her impact. Whitney was technically great, Gaga was just technically better. This is not that complicated. But that's just not true Listen to that strain at 1:40-1:47 for one, even what I pointed out in my first post (2:12 to 2:15) Whitney belts effortlessly and once she gets to 2:53-2:56 and raises that note it's so easy. Note that although Whitney lip-synced, it was still using a pre-recorded vocal performance that was one complete take. Technically Whitney is the stronger singer, like what are you talking about? There are absolutely no flaws in Whitney's rendition... Gaga's was technical brilliance, but she had her strains and weak moments. Even if Gaga HAD performed this absolutely technically perfect, there would still be no objective way to state that she topped Whitney's performance considering Whitney's performance was perfect technique wise. It would be again up to subjective preference. This is not that complicated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 They are my top two favorite SB National Anthem performances. Both were beautiful renditions! I'm impressed that Gaga's vocals were live! There is the added pressure that comes with singing the NA live at the Superbowl and nerves most definitely can affect your vocals. I would have to give some "extra points" to Gaga for having nerves of steel and the enormous amount of vocal control she had to pull off such an amazing performance, with live vocals! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 21 minutes ago, Bebe said: But that's just not true Listen to that strain at 1:40-1:47 for one, even what I pointed out in my first post (2:12 to 2:15) Whitney belts effortlessly and once she gets to 2:53-2:56 and raises that note it's so easy. Note that although Whitney lip-synced, it was still using a pre-recorded vocal performance that was one complete take. Technically Whitney is the stronger singer, like what are you talking about? There are absolutely no flaws in Whitney's rendition... Gaga's was technical brilliance, but she had her strains and weak moments. Even if Gaga HAD performed this absolutely technically perfect, there would still be no objective way to state that she topped Whitney's performance considering Whitney's performance was perfect technique wise. It would be again up to subjective preference. This is not that complicated. You are just being extremely nitpicky about Gaga's performance. But I will do the same. at 2:54 Whitney's high note falsetto doesn't quite sound as clear as Gaga's. At 1:36 Whitney's low note doesn't sound nearly as good as Gaga's low notes either. But once again, you do not understand that I am talking about the performance itself and not about its culture as impact. An impact that wasn't even all of due Whitney's performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,094 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, Enigma said: You are just being extremely nitpicky about Gaga's performance. But I will do the same. at 2:54 Whitney's high note falsetto doesn't quite sound a clear or as extended as Gaga's. At 1:41 Whitney's low note doesn't sound nearly as good as Gaga's low notes either. But once again, you do not understand that I am talking about the performance itself and not about its culture as impact. An impact that wasn't even all of due Whitney's performance. Yeah, I am getting extremely nitpicky about Gaga's performance... She did f*cking amazing and it's annoying that I have to be so nitpicky because you insist on being so adamant that one artist has to top the other. I do understand that you are talking about the performance itself, what you don't seem to understand is that it's impossible to really, objectively claim that Gaga's performance tops Whitney's. "Whitney's high note falsetto doesn't quite sound a clear or as extended as Gaga's" how can you possible think that? Gaga's is far weaker. Whitney's is as clear as it can be. I'm clearly not going to get through to you... Your opinion is subjective, there is no way for you to claim that Gaga tops Whitney. Nobody can 'top' her performance. You prefer Gaga's performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Quark 7,098 Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Bebe said: Yeah, I am getting extremely nitpicky about Gaga's performance... She did f*cking amazing and it's annoying that I have to be so nitpicky because you insist on being so adamant that one artist has to top the other. I do understand that you are talking about the performance itself, what you don't seem to understand is that it's impossible to really, objectively claim that Gaga's performance tops Whitney's. "Whitney's high note falsetto doesn't quite sound a clear or as extended as Gaga's" how can you possible think that? Gaga's is far weaker. Whitney's is as clear as it can be. I'm clearly not going to get through to you... Your opinion is subjective, there is no way for you to claim that Gaga tops Whitney. Nobody can 'top' her performance. You prefer Gaga's performance. You seem to think that you can either have a worst or equal performance to the considered "best" performance, when the reality is that you can actual do better. And yes, it is subjective as far as which performance is better. But that is exactly what my opinion is just like it is also subjective that you think Whitney sung it better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gov Hooka 8,008 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Let's not be too delusional now. I get it's your opinion, but Whitney's version is the standard by which all others are judged. Lady Gaga was amazing, but the reason why Whitney is hailed so much is that she didn't sing extra notes. Gaga did (beautifully and with effervescence) sing extra notes here and there that don't simply humbly and patriotically display the music of the national anthem like Whitney's version did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 3 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said: Let's not be too delusional now. I get it's your opinion, but Whitney's version is the standard by which all others are judged. Lady Gaga was amazing, but the reason why Whitney is hailed so much is that she didn't sing extra notes. Gaga did (beautifully and with effervescence) sing extra notes here and there that don't simply humbly and patriotically display the music of the national anthem like Whitney's version did. Those extra notes only made it better. Her emotions and mannerism also showed how patriotic Gaga was. Is not like those extra notes immediately made Gaga less "patriotic". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,094 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Just now, Enigma said: You seem to think that you can either have a worst or equal performance to the considered "best" performance, when the reality is that you can actual do better. And yes, it is subjective as far as which performance is better. But that is exactly what my opinion is just like it is also subjective that you think Whitney sung it better. "You seem to think that you can either have a worst or equal performance to the considered "best" performance, when the reality is that you can actual do better." No, I'm suggesting that Whitney's performance is as perfect as it can be and you can't possibly beat perfection. "just like it is also subjective that you think Whitney sung it better" It's funny that you assume that when I haven't said that at all, I've said is that you can't top a performance like Whitney's especially when they are different interpretations. You can only stand beside such iconic moments, you can't top them. I'd consider Gaga's performance to be exceptional and within the realm of the best performances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Bebe said: "You seem to think that you can either have a worst or equal performance to the considered "best" performance, when the reality is that you can actual do better." No, I'm suggesting that Whitney's performance is as perfect as it can be and you can't possibly beat perfection. "just like it is also subjective that you think Whitney sung it better" It's funny that you assume that when I haven't said that at all, I've said is that you can't top a performance like Whitney's especially when they are different interpretations. You can only stand beside such iconic moments, you can't top them. I'd consider Gaga's performance to be exceptional and within the realm of the best performances. If quality is subjective, then how can a performance be "perfect" in the first place? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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