Popo 3,776 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I thought robin thicke held this dubious honour Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popo 3,776 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 7 minutes ago, jojuun said: Wow, it really is RiriDaily up in here, huh? Look at all them threads despite being a "flop"! Listen, Rihanna's fanbase are not 45 year old housewives who are unaware of the internet. She gave away the album for free, who the hell would pay for something if you can get the same thing for free? And the fact Samsung bought every single download of the album might be "shameful" to all of you and the "popstans" community, but she has her coins from Samsung per individual download, so it's not that pathetic for her is it? RIAA declared it was platinum, so it is. Who gives a f*ck about Billboard and their stupid rules anyway, they're always late to the party, wether it's with counting streams or marketing deals like this. Y'all need to get with the times. Record sales are DEAD unless you have a really wide audience like Adele and Taylor. If Rihanna made a really well-promoted album full of Umbrella's she could've easily had amazing first week sales but she didn't because ANTi is a non-traditional urban album with a lot of dark mid-tempo's without catchy hooks and massive choruses. Rihanna is in her mid-twenties and is already over a decade in the business. She truly spawned out hits like a factory and this is her first album that's not overly mainstream and it's like the sky is falling down... She still performed all those previous hit songs, what's the big deal? ANTi has it's own little corner, it's honestly not that disappointing. It's a solid album and I'm pleasantly surprised. Could I have done with a major trap/EDM drop in Work? Sure. Could some of the songs be re-worked into radio-friendly hits? Immediately. But she didn't take that direction, so it is to be respected. And the fact she found a creative way to still release the album she wanted without risking the commercial set-back, by bringing in a deal with a third-party is actually very smart. She's actually involved in the songwriting process? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Popo said: I thought robin thicke held this dubious honour That was 530... In the UK. He sold 24,000 in the US. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojuun 4,159 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Just now, Popo said: She's actually involved in the songwriting process? Except for "Same Ol' Mistakes" she is credited as a writer on each ANTi track. Also, don't forget the album was exclusive to TIDAL at first, with no other digital retailer offering it and there's no physical release yet PLUS it only had like what, 3 days worth of sales? With over a million free downloads and it's "illegal download links" now that are very widespread, since everyone and their mother could get it legally for 24 hours and they're sharing it now, it's actually insane 420 people legally bought it via their TIDAL subscription. It was the only way to do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink sushi 4,351 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Well it was a horrible album.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,053 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 19 minutes ago, Dora said: She screwed herself by giving a million copies away for free. Her team thought BB would count them, but they didn't. So she ended up with only 460. Poor RihRih. Her team knows the BB rules, it's just that roc nation cares about making a huge profit more than it cares about some silly chart position. Rihanna and Roc Nation are in a better position with the samsung deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FameHookah 4,588 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Cackling WTF is MDNA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryhanna 3,507 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 A million free copies tho. I'm sure Rihanna isn't bothered. Doesn't matter how high it charts on Billboard. A million people have the damn album. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,053 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 As for people bitching that this move is bad for new artists who have to work harder to get a platinum record look at this, if more major artists did this there would be more new talent represented on the charts. It's a win for consumers of music that get a free album, It's a win for Rihanna/Roc Nation who effectively shift 1 million albums, it's a win for Tidal who have exclusive rights and it's a win for young artists who will be represented better on the charts (+ Especially better for young artists signed with Roc Nation because they now have more resources to spend on budgets for young artists and can afford to test the market with exciting talent). Everybody wins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 They did not loose the money bc Samsung paid their free downloads but 400 people actually paying for a new album by a major artist is completely ridiculous. ¿Qué currículum tiene ésta tarántula? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Ryan 1,468 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I got the album for free. I was not buying it. I believe the brings the total to 1,015, 896. Perhaps someday Billboard will change the rules it would not be surprising... they change them all the time. Rihanna's best week of first album sales in a week. Already R.I.A.A. certified platinum. I am happy that there was still fans who went out and still bought the album. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, Bebe said: As for people bitching that this move is bad for new artists who have to work harder to get a platinum record look at this, if more major artists did this there would be more new talent represented on the charts. It's a win for consumers of music that get a free album, It's a win for Rihanna/Roc Nation who effectively shift 1 million albums, it's a win for Tidal who have exclusive rights and it's a win for young artists who will be represented better on the charts (+ Especially better for young artists signed with Roc Nation because they now have more resources to spend on budgets for young artists and can afford to test the market with exciting talent). Everybody wins Not really. The album was bought by a multimillionaire company in exchange of her being the image of their product. The music industry gets nothing and little artists are still little artists. One spot on the charts makes no difference. Roc Nation paid for the creative process which could have been avoided if she was the one writing her songs and didn't need a songwriting camp. If more big artists did this then Billboard would end up changing the charts because it would be unfair to give higher positions to artists who sold way less copies of their albums than others. It would be more of a charity chart than an actual popularity chart. This probably was the best for Rihanna tho, considering how low the predictions were for her album. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 11 hours ago, Bebe said: Her team knows the BB rules, it's just that roc nation cares about making a huge profit more than it cares about some silly chart position. Rihanna and Roc Nation are in a better position with the samsung deal. The Samsung deal has been in place for a long while now. Her team had been working on trying to find a way to make the free downloads count. They finally gave up and funneled the deal through Tidal. Make no mistake, that record label very much wanted to find a way to chart big the debut week. Instead, they were left with spinning WW numbers into numbers for US certification and sending out marketing reps with false numbers. I'm sure we will see them continue to spin away. Labels do that because charts are important! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,053 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 19 minutes ago, DrewStevens said: Not really. The album was bought by a multimillionaire company in exchange of her being the image of their product. The music industry gets nothing and little artists are still little artists. One spot on the charts makes no difference. Roc Nation paid for the creative process which could have been avoided if she was the one writing her songs and didn't need a songwriting camp. If more big artists did this then Billboard would end up changing the charts because it would be unfair to give higher positions to artists who sold way less copies of their albums than others. It would be more of a charity chart than an actual popularity chart. This probably was the best for Rihanna tho, considering how low the predictions were for her album. "The album was bought by a multimillionaire company in exchange of her being the image of their product. The music industry gets nothing and little artists are still little artists. One spot on the charts makes no difference." Yes that first part is key. Samsung essentially bought those albums and covered the costs for the free downloads, Roc Nation gets a part of that. Instead of (best case scenario and highly unlikely) Rihanna selling 500,000 records first day, she shifts over 1 million. That's more than double the profit for Rihanna and, most importantly, Roc Nation who can use that money to fund smaller artists. "Roc Nation paid for the creative process which could have been avoided if she was the one writing her songs and didn't need a songwriting camp." Of course Roc Nation covered the costs of making the album (of course Rihanna was more involved than usual with this album as per her writing credits), like they do with every artist. That doesn't change whether they release it this way or the traditional way. "If more big artists did this then Billboard would end up changing the charts because it would be unfair to give higher positions to artists who sold way less copies of their albums than others. It would be more of a charity chart than an actual popularity chart." If more artists did this then Billboard probably would have to change, but that's their problem frankly. More major artists should do this imo. People want music for free hence the rise of streaming and the fact that piracy continues to grow, the music climate is changing and if record companies want to make money they this is how to do it. The music consumer wins, the artist wins and the record label wins. Billboard has a few options if the music industry shifts like this: 1. They can calculate free downloads and include that in their album chart. This seems unfair to smaller artists though. 2. They can make the chart still focused on sales, big artists grow out of this chart world and the chart is used to show breakthrough artists. This seems to hurt Billboard because they are losing the big stars. 3. They create separate charts, on that works as it does now and one that deals with popularity including through free downloads. The fact still remains that free music is the future of the music industry, whether we like it or not. Record labels need to adapt and this is how. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarmaPolice 4,731 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I guess the ARTPOP situation didn't teach you anything...being happy for an artist low sales and calling it flop.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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