Elton John Is Wrong. ARTPOP Is Not a Bad Album

[AyaKara 2,281]

Everyone, if you're going to critique ARTPOP -- or any of Gaga's work -- please do so respectfully.

That goes for any other artist, too.

[Born Brave 2,072]

People say "its not her worst work" but im sitting here trying to comprehend that. That means that its better than at least TF, TFM, and BTW collectively? Like which of those 3 previous albums is it better than? The pieces just don't fit in that puzzle.. so yes, it's in my opinion, her most underwhelming product. 

[deeman 189]

14 minutes ago, Justinn said:

What's a DSM?

Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. aka dope selling manual.

[Born Brave 2,072]

1 minute ago, deeman said:

Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders

I don't think it's that serious 

[Bambino 24,266]

Seriously, why is everyone so concerned about what he said? It's just his opinion, what's new about having a negative opinion about ARTPOP?

Imo it's not a bad album as the music itself was good. The concept itself was kinda not that great. It was either not a good concept for an album by a mainstream artist or it just wasn't handled properly.

[hoodrat 299]

I hope everyone realizes that bashing ARTPOP is going to be a huge part of the marketing for LG5. Everyone loves a triumphant comeback and Gaga knows that. If the music is good the media is gonna be all like "She's back! And with REAL music this time!!!!!11!!"

And I doubt she's going to take any of this ARTPOP hate too seriously, because she already survived 2013-14. If she survived that time in her life, she can certainly ignore these comments, especially if it helps her comeback look even better.

[RBNLM 1,640]

Elton John Is right, move one and leave ARTPOP alone it's the past.

[deeman 189]

13 minutes ago, Justinn said:

I don't think it's that serious 

Oh good I was getting ready to hide my collection of ARTPOP music incase the thought police turned up to carry me away.

[Andreyw 4,285]

1 hour ago, Yanko said:

just like enigma saying eltons opinion is wrong and saying that he doesnt like the album cause it flopped

i do not need your lecturing

i never even used the word delusional in this thread and the denial comment is clearly playfull and nothing more

but you cant really comprehend what i post so i suggest you ignore me

 

do you ever stop?

[NooNe 25]

guys, if you think that ARTPOP isn't better than her past albums then don't tell THE "BUT" (but it isn't her worst album) because if you think ARTPOP isn't better than any of her past albums this means it is her weakest (worst) album. but the album is "HER" worst, not Generally a worst album.

And my opinion is that ARTPOP is her weakest work and that why it flopped. what i want to tell is that when GAGA has fame monster (every song was single material except teeth) and born this way (very different and experimental album) i can't see anything better in ARTPOP

 

if she wants a great comeback era (lead single, album), she should foresee her past mistakes.

[Quark 7,098]

8 hours ago, Benji said:

He didn't say it was bad though? Saying something is not good doesn't literally equate to him implying it's a sack of sh*t album.

I like ARTPOP, but it's pretty obvious that she can do so much better when you remember what artist released it. ARTPOP, in terms of Gaga albums... is not good.

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Also can we stop with accusing every opinion about this album to be about charts? It went #1 in the large markets and Applause had good success, it's far from a "flop."

"She made some bad career decisions, ARTPOP was not a good idea, it was not a good album, I think she will admit that," If album is not good than what is it? There are different degrees of good and bad but things are either good or bad.

[Quark 7,098]

1 hour ago, Evan Peters said:

that doesn't mean he payed attention to charts  you're taking an opinion, disagreeing with said opinion, and then giving your own opinion on why he's wrong. this is an argument that can go back and forth because it's based on personal taste rather than facts.

While I don't know for sure if he pays attention to charts or not, based on what he says I feel like he does. And what is so wrong about me thinking he is wrong with what he said?

[Voltaire 4,531]

"She made some bad career decisions, ARTPOP was not a good idea, it was not a good album, I think she will admit that,"

How easy would it be to imagine a situation where he had heard a handful or more different songs that didn't make the album, and also knew of an alternative direction for the album as a whole? Perhaps he even knew she was leaning hard another way, but allowed some career decisions to get between her and her vision. He made an offhand comment, not a formal dissertation.  But ultimately, he was right- the album did not catch on the way it should have. At Gaga's level, a tight and well conceived album as a whole would have taken off. ARTPOP has great songs, but ARTPOP isn't a tight album.

This doesn't need to be so black and white. He's a close and current friend and confidante. Arguing with each other isn't going to change any realities here folks.

[Tokyo Rose 1,475]

ARTPOP could have been so much better, but for Elton to just call it a bad album was hurtful.

Maybe the next album is good enough, that it becomes OK to talk about ARTPOP in front of her 

[deeman 189]

This is the album he said he wants her to make. Back to the 70s:

Personally I really don't think there is much point. Gaga might aswell just quietly vanish into her private life. There will be other artists prepared to innovate and gaga has already done more than her fair share. Really I just cant even listen to this i find it too depressing infact so much about the boomers deeply depresses me as if they haven't done enough harm already.