Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 20 minutes ago, Clean said: I swear this fanbase can't accept the truth every artist makes good and bad records even legends the denial tho Nobody is denying that the album did not have the same mass effect as The Fame or TFM. But for others, ARTPOP is their favourite Gaga album. It works both ways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaLuna 12,732 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Although I strongly disagree with Elton, it was his opinion. I just think he could've worded his thoughts differently and in a more tactful manner. After all, she's a close friend and the godmother to his kid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviant 85 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Well it isn't great. In comparison to her other albums its undoubtedly her weakest effort. It always read to me as an incredibly insecure album both in what inspired her to make it and in how she executed it during. She was incredibly affected by her fame and that couldve inspired an amazing record but what we got was a recklessly rebellious era in terms of performances and visuals and a ho-hum album musically filled with half rupaul-esque top 40-gay boy fodder and half okay pop songs. It wasnt the trainwreck most members of the media and annoying pop stans that dislike Lady Gaga would have you believe, but it wasn't all that great either. It was whole-heartedly mediocre. (Although i'd take ARTPOP over Revival or 1989 anyday). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mast 980 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Of course you would make this thread. The king said it, sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mast 980 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Lord Temptation said: Nobody is denying that the album did not have the same mass effect as The Fame or TFM. But for others, ARTPOP is their favourite Gaga album. It works both ways. That doesn't mean it wasn't her weakest tho. Favorite =/= best. Her best effort was for sure TFM, but my favorite Gaga album is BTW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mast 980 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 4 hours ago, Enigma said: Except the album did not really fell both commercially or critically. At least not for the most part. Applause was very successful as its first single, DWUW also did very well despite of bad promo, and the album itself has sold about 2.5 million albums. Critically, it has a 61 in metacritic, which indicates mixed but mostly favorable reviews. If the album had failed it would not have sold as much or it would be under the 40s in metacritic. Very successful? Didn't Applause only stay one week at #1? DWUW did not do well at all y any Gaga standards. ARTPOP was not a flop by any means, but it was a huge dip for Gaga's star power. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabexuela 1,184 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 20 minutes ago, Deviant said: Well it isn't great. In comparison to her other albums its undoubtedly her weakest effort. It always read to me as an incredibly insecure album both in what inspired her to make it and in how she executed it during. She was incredibly affected by her fame and that couldve inspired an amazing record but what we got was a recklessly rebellious era in terms of performances and visuals and a ho-hum album musically filled with half rupaul-esque top 40-gay boy fodder and half okay pop songs. It wasnt the trainwreck most members of the media and annoying pop stans that dislike Lady Gaga would have you believe, but it wasn't all that great either. It was whole-heartedly mediocre. (Although i'd take ARTPOP over Revival or 1989 anyday). Girl, you nailed it. Just an opinion girlies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Everyone has his opinion. The fact that he think sthat his opinion is a facts gets in my nerves though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 12 minutes ago, Mast said: Very successful? Didn't Applause only stay one week at #1? DWUW did not do well at all y any Gaga standards. ARTPOP was not a flop by any means, but it was a huge dip for Gaga's star power. Applause is Gaga's 5th biggest Billboard hit after Just Dance, Pokerface, Bad Romance and Born This Way and has become one of her most iconic singles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeautyisaLie 1,272 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I really enjoy ARTPOP, but for some reason I think it doesn't fit as a whole, since we're used to have similar song concepts on every album Gaga releases. That, and the fact that this album has (in my opinion, of course) too much vocal editing, which in my eyes was really unnecesary in songs like Swine, ARTPOP, Gypsy and Aura (the vocals on the demo were amazing as they were..) are the only two things that makes it bad as an album. I think that's what Elton means. 🎼 It's dark but just a game. 🖤🎧 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeman 189 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 44 minutes ago, Deviant said: 44 minutes ago, Deviant said: In comparison to her other albums its undoubtedly her weakest effort. It always read to me as an incredibly insecure album both in what inspired her to make it and in how she executed it during. She was incredibly affected by her fame and that couldve inspired an amazing record but what we got was a recklessly rebellious era in terms of performances and visuals hmm well atleast you have some explanation for your views. What do you mean though by incredibly insecure I imagine it took great strength to do ARTPOP and what was reckless about it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 26,836 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 5 hours ago, Enigma said: Opinions can be wrong and misguided. Not with a matter such as music that is entirely subjective. You think you're more informed than Elton John who has been active and successful in music longer than you've been alive though? @djBuffoon you too? I know you find it impossible to see a stance that is even slightly opposed to Gaga but you would describe Elton John as misguided? Problem is with you guys that you can't handle anyone saying ARTPOP isn't great lol. Anyone that doesn't feel the same is automatically wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFamousLM 635 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Well I mean there is very good material in that album (Gypsy, Applause, MJH) but you also have the worst songs in her entire career (JnD, Swine, Donatella, Dope, Fashion) so I can understand why he said that. It was a bad album considering Gaga's standards but a good album overall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviant 85 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 15 minutes ago, deeman said: hmm well atleast you have some explanation for your views. What do you mean though by incredibly insecure I imagine it took great strength to do ARTPOP and what was reckless about it? As we all know now, she was incredibly affected by her fame (i.e. Princess Die). She was over the industry, over betrayals, and she let all of that bitterness and cynicism seep into the album and its concept. With cynical tracks like Applause and Do What U Want aimed at her critics mixed with the recklessly rebellious DIY seashell bra and teasted to hell wigs of the era and of course the vomit performance. I mean, don't get me wrong, I respect the sort of **** you punk spirit that inhabited her, but overall the era was a complete and utter mess in my opinion. I don't really see strength as a dominant adjective in ARTPOP, I mostly just see her insecurity toxifying her music and vision. She cared about what everyone was saying about her and she let it show. Although I will say that the vomit performance is probably the only aspect of the ARTPOP era in which I see strength. Because to me, her SXSW set was her saying **** you to everyone and getting as raw and ugly as she possibly could as a statement for herself and no one else. And when I watched her interview with Kurt Loder following the performance I had that much more respect for her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeman 189 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 5 minutes ago, Deviant said: the recklessly rebellious DIY seashell bra wow you really had me i thought you were actually going to say something worth reading. the seashell bra was recklessly rebellious we have heard it all folks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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