Elton John Is Wrong. ARTPOP Is Not a Bad Album

[AlexanderLevi2 5,849]

16 minutes ago, faux said:

Some people like it and some don't. 

Done.

THIS SO MUCH

[Andy McQueen 4,484]

21 minutes ago, AlexanderLevi2 said:

And it all depends on your music taste! I don't get how people feel the need to have everyone love the album. That's what makes art, art. You love it or hate it but we can all appreciate it!

Exactly!

 

[XoXoJoanneGaga 629]

6 hours ago, DrewStevens said:

Let's get one thing straight, he never said ARTPOP was bad bad. He didn't trash Gaga or the whole album. He said it was a bad decision and that the album was not good. "Not good" can mean average which is not always bad.  Even Gaga herself has admitted that ARTPOP is inferior compared to her first two albums.

I don't think the album is bad or average but I do agree that it was a bad decision.

Yea he's 100% correct in saying that it was a bad idea for an album. Structuring an entire era around the idea of combining pop music with art visuals - which is something you'd already been doing in all of your past eras, alongside other more developed concepts - and then trying to apply this concept to the album itself in place of an actual concept, when in reality the music has nothing to do with it, or Art Pop as a genre, was a ridiculously poor and uninspired creative direction.

And the album overall isn't outright bad - aside from a couple of songs - but as a whole it's not exactly good either. It's just kind of there, a collection of barely connected pop songs that for the most part contain her weakest displays of songwriting, vocals, and production to date. And Gaga herself has said that she couldn't write during the making of the album, that her creativity wasn't honored, and that she couldn't pull the gold. What more is there to say , obviously as Gaga stans we're going to enjoy pretty much anything she puts out regardless, but it's important to retain some objectivity and perspective instead of lashing out at opinions of those less biased. 

[Teri Hatcher 2,053]

1 hour ago, M Monstre said:

I'm sorry but did my OPINION offend you? I'm entitled to my own opinion just as "elton" is entitled to his 

[Born Brave 2,072]

ARTPOP really wasn't a good album. If Elton has went on record saying this about ARTPOP, don't you think Gaga herself has shamed the album to Elton? 

ARTPOP is Gaga's worst album to date. Ya'll act like she's put out a hundred albums, the woman has released 4 plus Cheek to Cheek. ARTPOP failed critically, commercially, and the only people in the world that listen to it are die-hard fans. The album was an all around failure. It's not Gaga's fault. It's not our fault. It just didn't work out. 

For the life of me it makes me want to vomit all over my keyboard when I see the delusional "OMG ARTPOP SLAYS" messages on here... like get with it already. I hope she does finally come out and say that she hates the album. There's too much baggage there for her... I personally know if she could have, she would have quit the album when everyone in the fanbase ripped her over picking DWUW over Venus as the second single. People have no clue how that devastated her. I personally swear to it.

If I were Gaga, I would hate ARTPOP too. 

[Der Meister 3,000]

ARTPOP was a bad album.

[Zilla 13,382]

If Elton or anybody hates ARTPOP that's your business, but don't ridicule another for theirs. 

I happen to really like ARTPOP and its okay if you don't, but it's not okay to denounce another opinion saying it's wrong.

[Born Brave 2,072]

7 minutes ago, Zilla said:

If Elton or anybody hates ARTPOP that's your business, but don't ridicule another for theirs. 

I happen to really like ARTPOP and its okay if you don't, but it's not okay to denounce another opinion saying it's wrong.

This works both ways. I have reached my breaking point when it comes to people coming after others for DISLIKING ARTPOP. Disliking ARTPOP doesn't make you a bad person. People can agree to disagree but no one is going to tell me I'm wrong for having my own opinion. And I find it absolutely mind-blowing that members would trash a musical legend who has been singing and writing longer than Gaga, just because he said ARTPOP wasn't good. 

[deeman 189]

29 minutes ago, CoCo1 said:

Structuring an entire era around the idea of combining pop music with art visuals

you really don't understand ARTPOP at all. it has nothing to do with "combining pop music with art visuals". ARTPOP is too pop what water is to a desert that is why some people find it offensive because it exposes their 'success' as absolute failure.

[Alien Tulip 12,428]

Most people in the world agree with him.

[MelbHawker 6,583]

Opinion is opinion. Elton is not wrong for saying what he said.

In actual fact, I'm in a way glad that people around her are admitting her previous Pop effort wasn't up to scratch. She's positioning herself for a big release - down-talking the previous one will do wonders for this upcoming release. It's creating an almost 'sophisticated' hype - a subtle one; one that she isn't creating by her own mouth/social media accounts as she has done so famously in the past. People will forever remember ARTPOP as an underperforming album thanks to the reputation it has acquired - but I don't think the words 'boring' or 'lazy' will ever be associated with it. 

[Evan Peters 10,738]

9 hours ago, Enigma said:

I am he cares and paid attention to the charts since he doesn't want Gaga to fail.

that doesn't mean he payed attention to charts  you're taking an opinion, disagreeing with said opinion, and then giving your own opinion on why he's wrong. this is an argument that can go back and forth because it's based on personal taste rather than facts.

[Evan Peters 10,738]

31 minutes ago, Teri Hatcher said:

I'm sorry but did my OPINION offend you? I'm entitled to my own opinion just as "elton" is entitled to his 

why is elton in quotations?  is he an enigma or something? 

[Bradley 59,021]

35 minutes ago, Justinn said:

ARTPOP really wasn't a good album. If Elton has went on record saying this about ARTPOP, don't you think Gaga herself has shamed the album to Elton? 

ARTPOP is Gaga's worst album to date. Ya'll act like she's put out a hundred albums, the woman has released 4 plus Cheek to Cheek. ARTPOP failed critically, commercially, and the only people in the world that listen to it are die-hard fans. The album was an all around failure. It's not Gaga's fault. It's not our fault. It just didn't work out. 

For the life of me it makes me want to vomit all over my keyboard when I see the delusional "OMG ARTPOP SLAYS" messages on here... like get with it already. I hope she does finally come out and say that she hates the album. There's too much baggage there for her... I personally know if she could have, she would have quit the album when everyone in the fanbase ripped her over picking DWUW over Venus as the second single. People have no clue how that devastated her. I personally swear to it.

If I were Gaga, I would hate ARTPOP too. 

#1, Incorrect. To say that an album failed critically would mean that it received mostly negative reception. ARTPOP received mixed reviews and divided opinions from critics, as summed up by Wikipedia. ARTPOP underperformed accordig to Gaga's standards, since she did massive numbers with Born This Way and The Fame, but a commercial failure would be a too harsh way to put it, I'd say underperform. The album, although did not open with groundbreaking numbers, did debut at #1 in the US and several other countries, and eventually sold 2,500,000 copies worldwide.

#2, I've never said 'ARTPOP slays' before, but why do you have to, quoting @Zilla, denounce others' opinion? Why can't you and several other members here just leave them to their so called 'delusion' and live on your life? The Internet is already hateful enough, we don't need people arguing with each other especially to not praise but belittle Lady Gaga's fourth studio album. Seriously as you can tell, anyone who doesn't agree with certain people are deemed as 'delusional' by them. How arrogant and shallow is this attitude? (This is not personal)

#3, you are not in Lady Gaga's mind, can you stop making the assumption that Gaga hates ARTPOP? I would agree with you if you said "I hope she admits it's less good of an album than her others" but to say that she hates the album is utterly ridiculous. Lady Gaga, 9 weeks ago said this: https://www.instagram.com/p/9_Y_N6pFBr/?taken-by=ladygaga

I'm sorry if I sound harsh here, but people should know that their opinions don't prevail over others', especially when they're not very nice in the first place.

[Born Brave 2,072]

6 minutes ago, Edward Hardy said:

#1, Incorrect. To say that an album failed critically would mean that it received mostly negative reception. ARTPOP received mixed reviews and divided opinions from critics, as summed up by Wikipedia. ARTPOP underperformed accordig to Gaga's standards, since she did massive numbers with Born This Way and The Fame, but a commercial failure would be a too harsh way to put it, I'd say underperform. The album, although did not open with groundbreaking numbers, did debut at #1 in the US and several other countries, and eventually sold 2,500,000 copies worldwide.

#2, I've never said 'ARTPOP slays' before, but why do you have to, quoting @Zilla, denounce others' opinion? Why can't you and several other members here just leave them to their so called 'delusion' and live on your life? The Internet is already hateful enough, we don't need people arguing with each other especially to not praise but belittle Lady Gaga's fourth studio album. Seriously as you can tell, anyone who doesn't agree with certain people are deemed as 'delusional' by them. How arrogant and shallow is this attitude?

#3, you are not in Lady Gaga's mind, can you stop making the assumption that Gaga hates ARTPOP? I would agree with you if you said "I hope she admits it's less good of an album than her others" but to say that she hates the album is utterly ridiculous. Lady Gaga, 9 weeks ago said this: https://www.instagram.com/p/9_Y_N6pFBr/?taken-by=ladygaga

I'm sorry if I sound harsh here, but people should know that their opinions don't prevail over others', especially when they're not very nice in the first place.

I think some people genuinely do like the album and that's great. However I want people to think for themselves and I don't think that's always the case.