GagaMyBlood95 9,915 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Of course you weren't in the studio... You should have thought of that fact a little earlier my dear (and it's not such a hard thing to know...). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Free My Mind said: I think Gaga's main input was in the arrangement of it... which absolutely counts as composition Arrangers don't get writing credits. Gaga didn't arrange the strings, someone else did and he didn't get credited as a composer, so even if Gaga made a piano arrangement that still wouldn't be enough for a writing credit. It doesn't count as composition and it clearly says so in the Oscars guidelines. Lemme add @djBuffoon here since he liked your post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Bromance 5,809 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 7 hours ago, phantasmas said: what if the collab is just Linda changing a word or two tho That would be awesome! That way, Gaga can tell her she gets no writing credits because she doesn't deserve them. Inserts "who's the mouse now?" GIF from AHS: Hotel I don't care what you think about unless it is about me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djBuffoon 12,125 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 49 minutes ago, Didymus said: Arrangers don't get writing credits. Gaga didn't arrange the strings, someone else did and he didn't get credited as a composer, so even if Gaga made a piano arrangement that still wouldn't be enough for a writing credit. It doesn't count as composition and it clearly says so in the Oscars guidelines. Lemme add @djBuffoon here since he liked your post. Have you heard the demo? Can you say, beyond doubt, that Gaga changed nothing in the melody or chord progression? If arrangers don't get writing credits, then clearly Gaga contributed elsewhere in the song to warrant it.... so what exactly is the problem? EDIT: and I liked the post because this is the part that stood out: "Linda probably assumed that because Gaga didn't write any lyrics she didn't contribute to any of the composition." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 19 minutes ago, djBuffoon said: Have you heard the demo? Can you say, beyond doubt, that Gaga changed nothing in the melody or chord progression? If arrangers don't get writing credits, then clearly Gaga contributed elsewhere in the song to warrant it.... so what exactly is the problem? I said on the previous page that I don't side with Linda because I don't have the demo - I'm just saying Linda's apology makes no sense 'cause her being in the room when Gaga and Diane changed the song doesn't even matter, even though people here like to say it does. The demo is enough. There's no problem other than me being curious about just how Gaga contributed to the composition and people thinking I'm siding with Linda for saying that. I guess I'm just not falling for the double standard - if this were about another artist, this thread would look different and the "then clearly Gaga contributed elsewhere" assumptions wouldn't fly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 @djBuffoon Actually, no. The problem is that people here come up with ridiculous lies (which you believe) to defend Gaga. No, arrangements do not count as compositions (I've seen that everywhere for the past 24h), her production does not count as contributing to the composition, and no, changing one chord and/or lyric does not count as contributing to the composition. We don't know what she did, and that's final. No need to come up with fantasies when, really, it's as easy as this: Linda knows if Gaga deserved the writing credit but she failed to state how much Gaga contributed to the actual musical composition and now she backed out with a bogus apology. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bye 3,947 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 What's all this fuss? If Gaga is listed as a producer on the song then she deserves to be nominated as the Academy clearly states that production is part of songwriting, no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PabloDaBlowfish 428 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LePetitGAGABLover 21,234 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 The only Perry that should be apologizing is Katy, for making Gaga flop in 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sudarshana 581 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 apologies are not enough, we need blood (tbh if diane felt like giving credits to gaga, she had the right to, just like gaga gave credits to fg on bloody mary) Nous sommes tous obligés, pour rendre la réalité supportable, d'entretenir en nous quelques petites folies. — Marcel Proust Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,902 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Linda has gone down in my estimation after all this which is a shame as she's such a good writer. And Gaga even said she was someone she listened to growing up. What is it with previous idols of Gaga's giving her a hard time? First Grace Jones, then Madonna and now this. Do these people have no respect for the people who've been inspired by them? Are they not grateful for the impact they've made on later generations? Anyway, so glad its been cleared up and that gossip sites are now updating about the whole situation. This thing just gave me flashbacks about the dark days of 2013 when the world seemed against her. It baffles me why so many people want to bring down this amazing woman. I don't see other artists get treated like this. It's nothing but spitefulness and jealously. I hope this will finally be the year where people just leave this amazingly talented artist alone. Of all things to come after Gaga for - not writing lyrics? Really? She's been a credited songwriter before she even had a debut album out and she writes all her original material. And Diane Warren only lets people co-write with her once in a blue moon. If someone like that is fine with Gaga having writing credit then she damn well did contribute. To just charge in, all guns blazing, accusing her of not writing a thing with no proof is mindblowing. And to do it just after your song failed to get a nomination showed up the real reason why you did so. As they say: jealousy is a disease...get well soon, bitches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Bromance 5,809 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said: Linda has gone down in my estimation after all this which is a shame as she's such a good writer. And Gaga even said she was someone she listened to growing up. What is it with previous idols of Gaga's giving her a hard time? First Grace Jones, then Madonna and now this. Do these people have no respect for the people who've been inspired by them? Are they not grateful for the impact they've made on later generations? Anyway, so glad its been cleared up and that gossip sites are now updating about the whole situation. This thing just gave me flashbacks about the dark days of 2013 when the world seemed against her. It baffles me why so many people want to bring down this amazing woman. I don't see other artists get treated like this. It's nothing but spitefulness and jealously. I hope this will finally be the year where people just leave this amazingly talented artist alone. Of all things to come after Gaga for - not writing lyrics? Really? She's been a credited songwriter before she even had a debut album out and she writes all her original material. And Diane Warren only lets people co-write with her once in a blue moon. If someone like that is fine with Gaga having writing credit then she damn well did contribute. To just charge in, all guns blazing, accusing her of not writing a thing with no proof is mindblowing. And to do it just after your song failed to get a nomination showed up the real reason why you did so. As they say: jealousy is a disease...get well soon, bitches. Bravo!!! Very well put, babe! Succinct and to the point! I couldn't agree with you more. I don't care what you think about unless it is about me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow 1,582 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 This is very suspicious... IF indeed Gaga only changed a minor lyric or a chord, The nomination is undeserved (yet again ;)) However we don't know The truth, so I will remain neutral. Just seems a bit odd Perry commented on The subject and then made this "apology". I also find it weird that when The first rumours and comments were made of thty, it was only Diane as writer and Gaga sort of refered to The song as such, in an LA interview... Strange... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviant 85 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Not sure what others are saying on this subject as I have not read any responses in this thread, but she most certainly does owe them this apology. She was not there when it was written and more importantly it is not just Gaga alone that is nominated for this academy award. Dianes name is on that bill as well. And you'd have to be hard pressed to believe someone as legendary and strong as Diane Warren would be so beside herself as to allow someone who does not deserve credit to attain it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviant 85 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 On 1/19/2016 at 6:07 AM, Didymus said: @djBuffoon Actually, no. The problem is that people here come up with ridiculous lies (which you believe) to defend Gaga. No, arrangements do not count as compositions (I've seen that everywhere for the past 24h), her production does not count as contributing to the composition, and no, changing one chord and/or lyric does not count as contributing to the composition. We don't know what she did, and that's final. No need to come up with fantasies when, really, it's as easy as this: Linda knows if Gaga deserved the writing credit but she failed to state how much Gaga contributed to the actual musical composition and now she backed out with a bogus apology. Linda does not know **** about a song she had nothing to do with. You have to be hard pressed to believe Diane Warren, of all people, would allow someone who does not deserve such credit to attain it. Its literally none of Linda's business and she was just running her overactive mouth as per usual. Songwriters quarrels. Im sure her agitation has a deeper root. Anything involving Lady Gaga is just an easy target to let loose whatever skeletons she has in her closet. Its amazing to me how easily people make the effort to belittle and deride any sort of accomplishment gaga has achieved. She can be nominated for an academy award and even her own fanbase will go to great lengths to argue reasons why they dont believe she deserves anything at all. It has nothing to do with delusion. Nothing to do with being a bias stan. And everything to do with sit the **** down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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