GlamGorgeousGG 220 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Right and I'm sure Linda has checked the integrity of every song that has been nominated for a songwriting award ever. Of course not, for some reason she's making this personal and it reeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanko 9,860 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 5 minutes ago, stef said: I guess It's worth noting that Gaga's odds have gone down by 5% in the latest update.... what odds? where? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinladen 1,527 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 12 minutes ago, Didymus said: @Bitter @VforVendetta I don't get it though. How does that end anything? It still doesn't explain why Gaga's credited as main writer, it still doesn't explain if we should even see her as a co-writer (since Linda's claim that she only changed one sentence still stands unaddressed by Gaga's statements) and if she deserved the credit on top of her full producer credit. So /end? Not so much. You care too much ngl. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Just now, Didymus said: That's the thing though, Linda's saying that the whole "collaborative" act was a promotional tactic. I'm not saying Gaga and Diane are frauds or something but I think people are missing Linda's point: it's about the forging of credits that bugs her, especially when it's done just to get more promo/award noms/wins. How would they present the song though since they are the ones that gave the song the form it has today? Actually the right thing to do would be to give credits to the original writer as well, just that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Just now, Bitter said: Are you trolling right now? WE made some changes. Since she contributed to the song she must get credit for this. Why are you in denial over a fact? People get credits on songwriting even if they've written one word and i'm sure Gaga didn't just change a word but she also produced the song and changed some parts of the melody. Why are you demanding I just believe something she said? That's like expecting I believe in God because someone says he exists. I don't doubt that Gaga and Diane collaborated on the song, I just think the changes Gaga made are covered in her producer credit, so I get where Linda's coming from and I don't think that Gaga saying they both worked on the song just dismisses everything we can discuss here I mean, I never said Gaga didn't deserve the credit, I just said it was amusing that other artists who get credited as a co-writer (or main writer like in this case) for changing minor elements are gunned down on this forum when here, everyone is gunning down Linda. The double standard alone is something worthy to discuss here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stef 61,589 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Yanko said: what odds? where? Expert predictions on Gold Derby. They have successfully predicted best song winner for 4 years in a row Signature loading… 👹🖤 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanko 9,860 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 1 minute ago, stef said: Expert predictions on Gold Derby. They have successfully predicted best song winner for 4 years in a row link btw tinashe is a bae in your avi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Didymus said: I mean, I never said Gaga didn't deserve the credit, I just said it was amusing that other artists who get credited as a co-writer (or main writer like in this case) for changing minor elements are gunned down on this forum when here, everyone is gunning down Linda. The double standard alone is something worthy to discuss here. That's true. I always admired that Gaga gave credit to everyone that contributed to he rsongs, even if that was a very minor contribution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Robinladen said: You care too much ngl. You don't care enough if you're satisfied with a useless, off-topic and disrespectful post like that. In this thread I've mostly discussed a double standard on the forum in terms of songwriting credits (which I still think is an interesting subject), the post you quoted I just made because I didn't understand why people pretended there was nothing left to discuss just because Gaga said they worked on the song together (which we already knew before this thread was made, obviously). So thanks for the input or whatever you tried to do, but if that was your attempt to school me, you're not doing a very good job I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikola 4,342 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Ai lost all my Repsrct for Linda......like she is just looking for attention....and shr sure does know how to get it....this is so sad for someone like her I've got an "F" and a "C" and I got a "K" too And the only thing that is missing is a bitch like "U" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boobtank 9,090 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 We've got one headline already... the GP are watching this mess... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3404648/Linda-Perry-says-Lady-Gaga-doesn-t-deserve-Oscar-nod-Best-Song.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,049 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I will also admit I was confused to see Gaga as the main writer as they have been upfront about the fact that "it was already kind of a finished piece" when Gaga went to work on it and I also seem to remember Gaga something along the lines of "I don't want to get all the credit because Diane had already almost finished the song when she gave it to me" (It was in some audio/video I'm sure, if anyone had receipts or can also remember that would be great). I don't know why they would have reason to lie though, they have also been open about the fact that Gaga made some key changes and changed the melody and chord progression. She also produced it, so she was bound to have some co-writing credits. Diane and Gaga would both get an Oscar if they won, and that wouldn't change if Diane was credited as the main writer. I don't know if Linda is exclusively talking about the lyrics, as she said "I credit Diane for writing this song, it is her experience her pain her words. That's it kids." Maybe she feels, understandably, that although the melody may have gone through changes, it was Diane's experience and her lyrics that where the focus of the song. Maybe technicality means Gaga is the main writer? I don't know, but I don't really know why they would lie because of the reasons above. Both would get an Oscar if they won regardless of who was the main writer and who was the co-writer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gag 22,449 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Honestly I'm just glad Gaga disclosed this before Linda "exposed" it. I feel like Gaga is one of the few honest artists out there currently and if she took main writing credits I would be actually kind of disappointed - that magazine quote proved that she was being truthful about her contribution from the start so . Anyways my point is I cannot escape mother Satan's grasp. headspin, happiness, DE̤̣A̢̯͔̘T͏͙̗̟̫H̗̙͡ͅ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stef 61,589 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 7 minutes ago, Yanko said: link btw tinashe is a bae in your avi http://www.goldderby.com/stats/experts/oscars-2015/best-song.html Signature loading… 👹🖤 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyerased 2,883 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I don't get the fuss about it. Even Gaga credits her producers when they change a word or two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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