JustYouandI 2,483 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 6 minutes ago, Metamorphosis said: * Only the principal composer(s) or songwriter(s) responsible for the conception and execution of the work as a whole shall be eligible for an award. Expressly excluded from eligibility are all of the following: http://www.oscars.org/sites/oscars/files/88aa_rules.pdf So does that mean that Gaga would've received the nomination regardless since she created the melody? I've been seeing people saying that but idk if that counts as a compostion or not. It says the award is given to the principal composers or songwriters. Then based on what they said, Gaga composed the song musically speaking so she get credits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman 4,660 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Didymus said: Well, she didn't create the melody (whoever's saying that is just straight up lying) herself, so that's not it, she just received the nomination because she's one of two principal writers (actually she's credited as the main writer, over Diane, everywhere). The only relevant exclusion here is "partial contributors", that would probably refer to a writer just changing a few words/notes or whatever, hence "not responsible for the overall design of the work" (this is where Linda's comments become relevant: she obviously thinks Gaga wasn't responsible for the overall design [as in overall composition] of the song). Got it. So it all boils down to her songwriting for this nomination. It's science, bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bette Davis 12,742 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, Luigi said: who's this woman? If you like Christina Aguilera, Gwen Stefani, Pink, Ariana Grande, then you've probably listened to songs written by her. Cold as ice cream, but still as sweet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcina Dimitrescu 1,156 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, Luigi said: who's this woman? a well-known* songwriter. She also had a band and a 1-hit wonder with that band but she dedicates mainly to writing. *well-known to be a songwriter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustYouandI 2,483 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Metamorphosis said: Got it. So it all boils down to her songwriting for this nomination. The composition of the song counts. So if she was involved in the composition of the music as a whole, then she is eligible for that. At least, that's what I got from the Oscar's rules thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Just now, Metamorphosis said: Got it. So it all boils down to her songwriting for this nomination. Yup And that's where the difference of opinion comes in. Either you side with Linda and you say that since Gaga basically started changing some details of an already finished work (completely written by Diane), she can only be seen as a partial contributor since she didn't contribute to the compositional design in any significant way (again: production doesn't count, it's about actual melodies and lyrics). Or you side with Diane and you say that Gaga made changes in the actual composition that were significant enough to be elevated from partial contributor to principal composer/songwriter. But honestly there's no way we can know which side to choose since we don't know exactly what Gaga changed in a melody sense. If Linda is right and she only changed one sentence, lyrically she's definitely not part of the principal songwriting. So then Gaga has to have made a significant impact on the musical side of things. And we simply don't have the details to go further. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americano 31,061 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 the fact this has sparked so much discussion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi 874 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 7 minutes ago, Bette Davis said: If you like Christina Aguilera, Gwen Stefani, Pink, Ariana Grande, then you've probably listened to songs written by her. I only like No Doubt (Gwen Stefani before) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman 4,660 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, Didymus said: Yup And that's where the difference of opinion comes in. Either you side with Linda and you say that since Gaga basically started changing some details of an already finished work (completely written by Diane), she can only be seen as a partial contributor since she didn't contribute to the compositional design in any significant way (again: production doesn't count, it's about actual melodies and lyrics). Or you side with Diane and you say that Gaga made changes in the actual composition that were significant enough to be elevated from partial contributor to principal composer/songwriter. But honestly there's no way we can know which side to choose since we don't know exactly what Gaga changed in a melody sense. If Linda is right and she only changed one sentence, lyrically she's definitely not part of the principal songwriting. So then Gaga has to have made a significant impact on the musical side of things. And we simply don't have the details to go further. Hmmmm. Interesting. It's science, bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman 4,660 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 6 minutes ago, JustYouandI said: The composition of the song counts. So if she was involved in the composition of the music as a whole, then she is eligible for that. At least, that's what I got from the Oscar's rules thing. Yeah that's what I've been hearing, too. It's science, bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi 874 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Why are you giving so much importance?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 4 hours ago, Lion Heart said: Perry is upset her song from Freeheld wasn't nominated for an Oscar. Just now seeing this mess and that was my first thought. She's pissed that her song that Miley sung wasn't nominated for an Oscar. Perry is being petty! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul 687 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 3 hours ago, Metamorphosis said: First of all, you don't know me. Secondly, I will admit when I am in the wrong. I have no problem doing so. But in this instance, I wont apologize because his post was baitful and had no context to it. So how was I supposed to know? Regardless of if I jumped or not, the post remains problematic and unnecessary. So you can save it. Well clearly not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman 4,660 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Just now, paul said: Well clearly not Nope. Not in this situation. And I've stated my reasoning multiple times. But if you know me personally, you will know that I have no problem admitting when I'm in the wrong. However you don't. It's science, bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul 687 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 3 minutes ago, Metamorphosis said: Nope. Not in this situation. And I've stated my reasoning multiple times. But if you know me personally, you will know that I have no problem admitting when I'm in the wrong. However you don't. I don't need to know you personally just to see that you wrongly went for him ?????? it's irrelevant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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