Bitter 3,640 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Didymus said: Why are you demanding I just believe something she said? That's like expecting I believe in God because someone says he exists. I don't doubt that Gaga and Diane collaborated on the song, I just think the changes Gaga made are covered in her producer credit, so I get where Linda's coming from and I don't think that Gaga saying they both worked on the song just dismisses everything we can discuss here I mean, I never said Gaga didn't deserve the credit, I just said it was amusing that other artists who get credited as a co-writer (or main writer like in this case) for changing minor elements are gunned down on this forum when here, everyone is gunning down Linda. The double standard alone is something worthy to discuss here. You choose to believe that linda perry tho You said that: , it still doesn't explain if we should even see her as a co-writer If she contributed to the song (lyrics/melody/production) she actually must get the credits. Why is it so hard for you to accept it? I've never questioned anyone's credits, ever. I just don't care and even if i did care it's impossible for me to know whether someone deserves the credits or not for co-writing a song since i've never been a part of any songwriting process If some people have double standards when it comes to their fave artist is something that happens always in any situation so i wouldn't pay much attention to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackTheTripper 866 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 i read on Lindas twitter that she had the original demo for the song that was send to her by Diane, and Gaga only chnged one line, acording to Linda(who is not a one hit wonder, and has wrote bunch of songs for A list singers) Diane wanted to ensure star power, and the song woudnt be promoted as it was hadnt t be performed by Gaga. I dont see any problem, Gag wanted to perform ans support the song and the movie, she did great job singing the song, BUT, if she really didnt coworte anything on the song-than she really shoundt put her Name next to the witing credits-its WRONG, especially when she is being vocal on her integrity. Dont be mean to Linda guys-she sadi she loves and support Gaga, but thenically she didnt cowrote the song according to her.... and by that It would be Diane responsible- and in that cas she doesnt get enough credit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 8 minutes ago, Bebe said: I don't know, but I don't really know why they would lie because of the reasons above. Both would get an Oscar if they won regardless of who was the main writer and who was the co-writer. Well, Linda says it was a promo tactic. And it makes sense. Gaga wouldn't have gotten the award if she was just the producer. And according to Linda's logic, her co-writing credit was misplaced because she only changed one sentence. Any other changes she would've made would fall under the producer credit. Without Gaga, Linda doubts the song would have caused such a stir and would've been nominated for these awards at all. The fact that Gaga was chosen over another artist only strengthened Linda's feelings about the changing around of credits being misleading but serving the purpose of getting the nominations. That's basically her POV summarized in a few sentences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackTheTripper 866 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 This is not the first time I heard that, actually i there was alot of inforfmation of Gaga going to studio to sing the vocal and didt teh arrangment while the song was already finished (the lyrics at least). Gaga had her fair share in this song, she did helped produced it and played the piano and i guess composed the song melodically- so she gets credit, but if she didnt write the lyrics-and a few words dont count, than dont take the credit for that..... the trouble starts when the song gets acclaimed for the lyrical content and Gag is the oly one being credited. you know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, Bitter said: You choose to believe that linda perry tho You said that: , it still doesn't explain if we should even see her as a co-writer If she contributed to the song (lyrics/melody/production) she actually must get the credits. Why is it so hard for you to accept it? I've never questioned anyone's credits, ever. I just don't care and even if i did care it's impossible for me to know whether someone deserves the credits or not for co-writing a song since i've never been a part of any songwriting process If some people have double standards when it comes to their fave artist is something that happens always in any situation so i wouldn't pay much attention to that. The difference lies in detail: Gaga just said they worked together (which is obviously true lmao), I don't get how you think that disqualifies everything Linda says who goes more into detail about how they actually worked together. I already said I have no problem accepting the credit, I'm just saying Linda's POV makes sense and it's actually this forum's POV when it concerns any other artist than Gaga, which is something to think about. I get that you don't care about paying attention to that, but I do, so.. I guess we can agree we're basically saying the same thing but we're choosing to focus on other things Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebit 6,221 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I'm wondering what Diane will respond with. She shouldn't go too hard, though I feel she's going to be pissed AF. Gaga should be gracious and classy. In any case, they need to address this ASAP. Do not let this go on and on like the Angie Cheng's $25 million rumor. My uncle is in some low level politics, and he was always told it's advisable to get a statement out quick when someone is trying it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rat Boy 42,968 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 What a mess. "****ing rat" - @Dynamite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter 3,640 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, Didymus said: The difference lies in detail: Gaga just said they worked together (which is obviously true lmao), I don't get how you think that disqualifies everything Linda says who goes more into detail about how they actually worked together. I already said I have no problem accepting the credit, I'm just saying Linda's POV makes sense and it's actually this forum's POV when it concerns any other artist than Gaga, which is something to think about. I get that you don't care about paying attention to that, but I do, so.. I guess we can agree we're basically saying the same thing but we're choosing to focus on other things Linda's surname disqualifies everything she said TO BEGIN WITH. And please, i know exactly what you are doing. You are just trying to convince everyone to vote for me in that lame cartegory i'm nominated at these ggd awards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanko 9,860 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, Bitter said: Linda's surname disqualifies everything she said TO BEGIN WITH. And please, i know exactly what you are doing. You are just trying to convince everyone to vote for me in that lame cartegory i'm nominated at these ggd awards. what ggd awards? am i nominated? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,053 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 19 minutes ago, Didymus said: Well, Linda says it was a promo tactic. And it makes sense. Gaga wouldn't have gotten the award if she was just the producer. And according to Linda's logic, her co-writing credit was misplaced because she only changed one sentence. Any other changes she would've made would fall under the producer credit. Without Gaga, Linda doubts the song would have caused such a stir and would've been nominated for these awards at all. The fact that Gaga was chosen over another artist only strengthened Linda's feelings about the changing around of credits being misleading but serving the purpose of getting the nominations. That's basically her POV summarized in a few sentences. But Gaga would still get a writing credit for what she did with the melody and key changes that both Gaga and Diane have talked about. I'm not disputing whether or not she deserves a writing credit, it seems obvious to me at least that she deserved to be credited as a co-writer. In terms of promo, I'm not really sure if it would have such a drastic effect if Gaga wasn't credited as the main writer but the co-writer. Everything they were saying would still be true (even about the writing process), Gaga would still be performing the song and Diane has been nominated countless times for an Oscar so I'm sure it would still have been nominated. Maybe I'm just naive and I'm missing something, but I still don't see a reason why they would lie or change the credits. I really don't see it making a huge difference if Gaga was considered the co-writer and Diane the main writer. I think that the reaction and conversation would be basically the same. I mean I do admit that I find it strange that Gaga is considered the main writer, but I wonder if that's because (through Gaga doing the production and changing the keys and melodies) Diane only ended up really writing the lyrics. That is what I've assumed ever since I saw Gaga credited as the main writer anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter 3,640 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Yanko said: what ggd awards? am i nominated? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwerk 7,205 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 2 hours ago, SKANK said: Do you really think that Gaga making a slight change to the arrangement, or altering one line of lyrics, justifies her winning an Oscar for her abilities as a song writer? I don't think so. That is like a book editor taking credit for an author's Pulitzer Prize. In my opinion, it would have been more respectful for Gaga to bow out and allow Warren to win an Oscar for a song that is clearly her creation. I want Gaga to win an Oscar, but I want her to earn it. True. I was quite suprised when I saw the nomination cause I thought it would just be Dianne credited. But I do feel if they win either the Grammy or the Oscar, Gaga will step back and let Dianne shine. Esp at the Oscars. I think finally getting Dianne her first Oscar is the main motivator here and she for shure deserves it. But maybe Gaga had a much bigger impact on the song than we know, and Dianne just wants her to get credited like Gaga always credits her producers. I can't imagine Dianne was forced too, that doesn't make any sense. I think it's a shame for Linda to try and jeopardize Diannes chances esp since the message of this song is so important. She seems to have a point but I wonder why she chose to speak up about it when there's so many more shittier things going on in the music industry. According to Gaga I'm a ****ing rad bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 9 minutes ago, Bebe said: Maybe I'm just naive and I'm missing something, but I still don't see a reason why they would lie or change the credits. I really don't see it making a huge difference if Gaga was considered the co-writer and Diane the main writer. I think that the reaction and conversation would be basically the same. Well, you're absolutely right. You could still say: yeah, but then Gaga doesn't deserve the main writing credit but this always happens when you have a star co-writing so that's no surprise either. I don't agree with Linda, the only thing I found interesting is that Linda's (wrong and unnecessary) POV is usually chosen when another artist is involved. So seeing everyone gunning down Linda in this thread is comical to say the least. I think the most important thing about Linda's statement is that she says that she chose to speak out because Gaga wasn't even supposed to sing this at first. That's her final explanation for what she says. I think she just wanted to remind everyone that Diane should be seen as the main creator and that the media and Gaga's fanbase (which she's responding to after all) are painting a misleading picture (that this award and all it entails, incl. the song is about Gaga and no one/nothing else). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelbHawker 6,583 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Who? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poope MOnster 1,446 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 1 hour ago, SKANK said: Which is worse, a song writer calling out a peer for taking too much credit on a specific song, or a pop star winning awards and making a profit from a song about rape the year after collaborating and furthering the careers of two known rapists? Hmm..who has more artistic integrity...Gaga or Linda Perry? I think it's about me. If it's not you're going to have to fight me for the Worst Little Monster Prize. What is that logic? Topic about compare about attention seeker ? Hellooooo and this. "A portion of proceeds from the sale of the song will be donated to organizations helping survivors of sexual assault." And that purpose of the song you re tragic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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