"Gaga won the GP back"

[Gaga Monster 13,001]

4 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Just..  

I dunno. Whatever.

She just won a ****ing Golden Globe, I think many people know now (esp. after that vine) + even the announcement of her going on AHS went viral and was much discussed by all sorts of media outlets. I don't believe your sketch of the situation at all.

Yeah, because young people don't watch tv shows right? And AHS really caters to the older generation, sure

Agreed about the jazz, but so what? Her last solo tour was in 2014, it's only 2016 She could've just disappeared like many artists do. A two year gap is not long at all. But no, we got another tour, we got much talked about performances, appearances and fashion moments, so I really don't see why some of you try to pretend that we're off worse than we were before. She's been getting unprecedented levels of continuous praise and even if the younger generation supposedly isn't picking up on that, surely it's a positive thing that we should celebrate. I mean, jeez, why put it down just because some kids who don't care about her don't talk about her every move? She obviously doesn't care, so if you care fine, but then don't pretend like we should care..

I have literally not heard one person in my school or any of my other siblings school talk about the vine. The only people I know who heard of it are seniors and people in there 50's. 2-3 million people isnt a lot tbh. 

My point is I just think Gaga needs to get ready for this new album and single. Her last hit was 3 years ago which to the GP is a long time for an artist to be away. 

[Blackwillow 2,200]

10 minutes ago, Gaga Monster said:

Again I am stating an opinion. Do I really have to repeat myself? ITS AN OPINION. You don't have to agree, but don't throw shade when the tag is opinion.

I just hope Gaga  don't read your negative opinion posts. Cuz it's toxic 

[Whispering 18,865]

18 minutes ago, Gaga Monster said:

Kids/teens/college people don't really care about jazz and have not heard about it. AHS only gets 2-3 million viewers per week so a lot of people have not heard of her acting

Neither of these statements are correct. Please stop speaking for everyone. 

[Whispering 18,865]

12 minutes ago, Blackwillow said:

But you are a little manager in other words you must have lots of experience manage super stars. 

I'm pretty sure they are in high school and basing all their opinions on their friend circle. 

[Didymus 34,379]

11 minutes ago, Gaga Monster said:

I have literally not heard one person in my school or any of my other siblings school talk about the vine. The only people I know who heard of it are seniors and people in there 50's. 2-3 million people isnt a lot tbh. 

My point is I just think Gaga needs to get ready for this new album and single. Her last hit was 3 years ago which to the GP is a long time for an artist to be away. 

You heard seniors talk about the vine just in your daily passing?

The stuff you people come up with. Incredible.

And you keep bringing up these numbers, just like Ronlop when it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter that people don't watch AHS, that doesn't mean they don't know Gaga is acting (I mean, COME ON she was on the COVER of Entertainment Weekly with an AHS center spread lmfao). Like I said, her announcement went viral and now with the Golden Globe and the vine I think it's pretty much safe to say that a good many people know. You and Ronlop just dismissing all of that shows you have some serious bias issues that are blatantly obvious to everyone but yourselves.

And no, mentioning that you've only seen 50 y.o.'s buy the issue in a store doesn't count as counter-evidence.

I think Gaga can take her ****ing time, she's been everywhere. Maybe not for the young kids but who gives a **** about them, obviously Gaga's not catering to them (anymore) for the moment and guess what, she's been getting unprecedented levels of continuous attention and praise, so what are we missing? Are we missing commercial success? She got it for the C2C tour. Are we missing social media mentions? She was the most mentioned person on Facebook and Twitter during the Golden Globes ànd the vine with Leo is the fifth most looped vine ever. Her Oscars performance went viral too. Do we miss her getting mentioned in talkshows etc.? She was mentioned in Fashion Police multiple times (and praised for her performances), she's still mentioned by Wendy, she's been on two magazine covers in 2015 with no new album out, she was on Jimmy Fallon twice, her engagement got attention, she was named Woman of the Year by Billboard, she's been getting mentioned favorably in connection to The Hunting Ground, she did all sorts of exciting and noted projects that you and Ronlop are just pushing aside just because people who couldn't care less about her aren't paying attention.

I think that's ridiculous. But hey, I'm not stoppin' ya. I only take offense when you people make threads/posts that are supposed to educate us when really, you just don't know when the good times are here. Sorry.

[Iwontell 7,312]

All this discussion bases itself on the fake premisse that having the GP at your side means success or that not having it means being unsuccessful...

Madonna, Joan Rivers, Mariah Carey and so many others have never been an unanimity with the GP and still experimented great success and a longevous career...****, Justin Bieber was more hated then anybody else one year ago and he's doing great now!

It's silly to think that the public opinion about her has suddenly changed, but it's also just as silly to think that what she has been doing recently is not having any effect on the perception about her...the truth lies somewhere in between and, whatever it is, it's really besides the point if what we're talking about here is her existence as an artist, her longevity in the business or the quality of her work...if people in general like her or not, it makes no difference to me...

[Ronlop 6,882]

1 hour ago, Didymus said:

What kind of bollocks though. Of course it has an impact! You don't see any journalist or tabloid rn writing about her as if she's still stuck in 2010 It's these tabloids and online news sites etc. that define public opinion for an extremely large part.

And how do you even measure her general image? Clearly you know what it is (you claim that her image is still the girl who wore meat) but where is that information coming from?

Well, to be blatantly honest, I think you're just projecting that desire onto the idea of a "general image".

And no.. she reinvented her public image because she has been singing jazz for two years, has made a world tour with the legendary Tony Bennett, has started to act on a well-known tv show, won a Golden Globe for it, performed at the Grammy's and the Oscars and appeared in all of those events I just mentioned as a performer looking 200% different than the general image you claim people are still hung up on.

Even if people have picked up anything remotely related to anything I just said, it would be so different compared to her "general" meat dress image that I say she would have reinvented her image successfully in that precise second, since the only thing that holds your general image together is one outfit. Anyone who has seen more than one popular picture/look of her at these events (probably at the most talked about events in the entertainment business: the Grammy's and the Oscars) would be instantly convinced that she's not walking around like that anymore, hence the image changes.

About the "slaying" part: Gaga is literally picking up achievement after achievement and maybe that doesn't concern some random kid who doesn't even like pop music, but why should we care about him caring about Gaga or her achievements?

The people who care, care and there are a lot of people who care or at least will notice her doing some incredible things (I mean, winning a Golden Globe isn't nothing - it's an extremely well-known award that is often used to crank up someone's name at events, like a Grammy) and you not finding that enough is your own problem imo and you should consider it to be your own problem.

If people really expect her album sales to increase dramatically because of this year, fine, in that case I agree that the expectations are unnecessarily high, but you're not talking about that, you're talking about Gaga having changed her image and I see way more proof that she has than that she hasn't and so far you haven't even used proper arguments to prove you're right. All you're saying is that she hasn't done enough. So that convinces me again that you're just applying your own biased standard and there's simply nothing we can say in this thread that will be of any use to anyone because of it.

"Clearly you know what it is (you claim that her image is still the girl who wore meat) but where is that information coming from?"

Are we actually going to argue about this? The meat dress and Gaga's strange outfits is Lady Gaga's image. Lets compare her to Adele for example. It's very clear that Adele is known for her songs while with Gaga, she's known for her antics. It's really not something you need to prove because you sense it around you. 

It's safe to say that 1 out of 10 people would know about the meat dress while 1 out of 100 maybe would know about Gaga's Oscars moment. I can't prove that sadly but I can say that when the meat dress incident came out- it was all over the news in every single newspaper/website worldwide. Gaga's Oscars moment didn't manage to reach that point. You want me to search the amount of tweets/open discussions/articles made about Gaga in 2010 to now? I won't but I think it's safe to say that you'll notice the difference.

 

Why don't you go to one of your friends and ask him/her when they heard about Gaga the last time. If the answer would be at the Oscars, Golden Globes, Singing jazz with Tony- I'd be surprised because it isn't the case here atleast. 

 

"She reinvented her public image because she has been singing jazz for two years, has made a world tour with the legendary Tony Bennett, has started to act on a well-known tv show, won a Golden Globe for it, performed at the Grammy's and the Oscars"

There is a difference. She re-invented her own image but not the public's perception on her. She is selling a different product these days but it's not received in a mainstream way as her past image. TIHTY being a great example for that.

Gaga's team can deliberately push her to be noticed as a "six-times Grammy winner" (which is now her introduction before almost every event she is in) or make her receive nominations for the Golden Globe and Oscars but that doesn't change the fact that most of the people that know about Gaga- know her for her past image. She is not every icon, she is one icon and she even admitted in one interview where she said that she wanted herself with her blonde bangs to appear on the ARTPOP album cover because that's what she's the most known for. I'll search for that interview but even she is aware of it. 

 

"(I mean, winning a Golden Globe isn't nothing - it's an extremely well-known award)" 

Oh come on. Both you and I know Gaga got the award purely because of the buzz and her name. The Golden Globe are not credible, in my opinion. Even it's a well-known award, it doesn't mean she earned more people's respect.

 

This thread was made because I was sick of seeing comments from fans saying that she won the GP back (in which you earlier agreed with me that she didn't btw- just saying now so you won't change your mind suddenly) and that LG5 is going to be successful because of this transformation in her public image. 

Her success in the future relies on catchy tunes radio will eat & great promotion. That's pretty much it. Gaga saying in her recent interview: "I'll call them when I'm ready...I'll do it the way I want to do it" is very nice but this business knows a little more than she does, I think. When she's going to turn more into a celebrity than a singer and when her radio absence will increase, radio won't feel the urge to play the new Gaga song and Gagadaily will be quickly filled with "LG6 will be her rising from the ashes era" for the next three years.

 

[Didymus 34,379]

2 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

Gaga, she's known for her antics. It's really not something you need to prove because you sense it around you. 

You seriously expect me to read further than that?

This is literally what all your arguments are based on: nothing but what you see and sense around you. Well guess what, we all see something else. Thank GOD we're not all making threads about it.

Let's be ****ing real here, let's cut to the ****ing chase You HATE C2C, you've hated everything she did since 2014, you've done nothing but criticize her this whole entire time and now you make threads like this (twice and I recall you making the exact same thread with the Oscars performance actually), it's just obvious that you want something different from her than what she's doing now (and what she's praised for) and that's fine, but then say it like that

6 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

This thread was made because I was sick of seeing comments from fans saying that she won the GP back (in which you earlier agreed with me that she didn't btw- just saying now so you won't change your mind suddenly) and that LG5 is going to be successful because of this transformation in her public image. 

This is just pretense, I'm sorry. You made an earlier version of this thread based on a couple of YouTube comments and then you made it again because people weren't jumping into your trap. Now you made it again under the guise of "let's discuss if Gaga won the GP back" but really, all you care to do is simply repeat that she hasn't and that she has to walk the road you have somehow outlined: the road to success. That this is painfully ironic is simply obvious from the success and attention she has enjoyed in 2014-15-16 without doing anything you want her to do.

I agree that LG5's success is still to be cautiously looked out for, but that does not mean that people still think she's a girl walking around in a meat dress. Her antics have not been getting headlines for years now. And to be quite honest, it's almost chilling to see you favor a group of people who would only click on a headline to probably insult Gaga for being an attention wh-re again over an audience that actually respects her talent.

Just like with this:

10 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

Her success in the future relies on catchy tunes radio will eat & great promotion. That's pretty much it. Gaga saying in her recent interview: "I'll call them when I'm ready...I'll do it the way I want to do it" is very nice but this business knows a little more than she does, I think. When she's going to turn more into a celebrity than a singer and when her radio absence will increase, radio won't feel the urge to play the new Gaga song and Gagadaily will be quickly filled with "LG6 will be her rising from the ashes era" for the next three years.

Take my advice and get the **** out of Dodge

This is just you saying: I only care about commercial success and a large audience that is only paying attention for the wrong reasons. That's fine for you, but if we can trust anything we've seen for the last three years, she's not gonna do what you want her to do.

And for the record.. what about Bobby He managed to make Gaga more relevant without an album than when she was promoting one. Why don't you trust him? He's literally recuperated Gaga's entire career and allowing her to enjoy stable and respectful attention, praise and coverage during a time when, theoretically, she should be a nobody. That's why we're all happy excited. The only reason you're not is because of what I already said: you personally dislike the direction she's going in and you're taking this fake "GP" story to tell everyone.

Anyway..

God.. I can't believe I'm spending so much time on someone who says: "Her success in the future relies on catchy tunes radio will eat & great promotion. That's pretty much it." Do you even like her as an artist, seriously

[giskardsb 12,565]

29 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

Are we actually going to argue about this? The meat dress and Gaga's strange outfits is Lady Gaga's image. Lets compare her to Adele for example. It's very clear that Adele is known for her songs while with Gaga, she's known for her antics. It's really not something you need to prove because you sense it around you. 

 

Gaga has spent the last three years running as far as possible from the image that she's all about "antics" and has proven it in numerous venues.  It's actually hilarious to me that so many TF/M fans are expecting her to run headlong back to that state and go back to what made her "successful" when she has clearly been trying to so hard to run away from it.  I think I can say with near 100% certainty say that Gaga would sooner lose old fans permanently than do anything that would cause anyone to simply associate her with "antics" again.

[Ronlop 6,882]

13 minutes ago, Didymus said:

You seriously expect me to read further than that?

This is literally what all your arguments are based on: nothing but what you see and sense around you. Well guess what, we all see something else. Thank GOD we're not all making threads about it.

Let's be ****ing real here, let's cut to the ****ing chase You HATE C2C, you've hated everything she did since 2014, you've done nothing but criticize her this whole entire time and now you make threads like this (twice and I recall you making the exact same thread with the Oscars performance actually), it's just obvious that you want something different from her than what she's doing now (and what she's praised for) and that's fine, but then say it like that

This is just pretense, I'm sorry. You made an earlier version of this thread based on a couple of YouTube comments and then you made it again because people weren't jumping into your trap. Now you made it again under the guise of "let's discuss if Gaga won the GP back" but really, all you care to do is simply repeat that she hasn't and that she has to walk the road you have somehow outlined: the road to success. That this is painfully ironic is simply obvious from the success and attention she has enjoyed in 2014-15-16 without doing anything you want her to do.

I agree that LG5's success is still to be cautiously looked out for, but that does not mean that people still think she's a girl walking around in a meat dress. Her antics have not been getting headlines for years now. And to be quite honest, it's almost chilling to see you favor a group of people who would only click on a headline to probably insult Gaga for being an attention wh-re again over an audience that actually respects her talent.

Just like with this:

Take my advice and get the **** out of Dodge

This is just you saying: I only care about commercial success and a large audience that is only paying attention for the wrong reasons. That's fine for you, but if we can trust anything we've seen for the last three years, she's not gonna do what you want her to do.

And for the record.. what about Bobby He managed to make Gaga more relevant without an album than when she was promoting one. Why don't you trust him? He's literally recuperated Gaga's entire career and allowing her to enjoy stable and respectful attention, praise and coverage during a time when, theoretically, she should be a nobody. That's why we're all happy excited. The only reason you're not is because of what I already said: you personally dislike the direction she's going in and you're taking this fake "GP" story to tell everyone.

Anyway..

God.. I can't believe I'm spending so much time on someone who says: "Her success in the future relies on catchy tunes radio will eat & great promotion. That's pretty much it." Do you even like her as an artist, seriously

Telling me I dislike Cheek To Cheek?  I love Cheek To Cheek. I think it was refreshing and an amazing album. I still listen to Lush Life and Bang Bang on almost a weekly basis. As a matter of fact, I remember you were the one who was going: "I think C2C is not a good album." back in Chat days.

I loved when she announced she'll be acting in AHS until I've seen her act and the overall disappointing season. I'm still happy she's doing something she's passionate about.

You really did not get me at all. There is a difference between what I want her to do to what would make her successful. How did Justin Bieber manage to revive his career? By releasing catchy pop tunes to the radio & great promotion. It's not rocket science really. 

What I want is Gaga to be successful but creatively satisfied because I know what she can bring to the table. But yeah, I want to love the Gaga I fell in love with. Don't we all? That means... I don't think I'm here for a rock album for example although I do love some of her rock covers. I want the good ol' Gaga with her amazing theatrics skills and her catchy yet meaningful tunes. Is that bad that i want that from her? 

I mean... we will still get to see the classically trained Gaga but if you're asking me what I want for her album? I want Gaga I fell in love with in the first place.

[Ronlop 6,882]

2 minutes ago, giskardsb said:

Gaga has spent the last three years running as far as possible from the image that she's all about "antics" and has proven it in numerous venues.  It's actually hilarious to me that so many TF/M fans are expecting her to run headlong back to that state and go back to what made her "successful" when she has clearly been trying to so hard to run away from it.  I think I can with near 100% certainty say that Gaga would sooner lose old fans permanently than do anything that would cause anyone to simply associate her with "antics" again.

Born This Way and ARTPOP are my favorite albums from her, just for the record.

[Didymus 34,379]

3 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

Telling me I dislike Cheek To Cheek?  I love Cheek To Cheek. I think it was refreshing and an amazing album. I still listen to Lush Life and Bang Bang on almost a weekly basis. As a matter of fact, I remember you were the one who was going: "I think C2C is not a good album." back in Chat days.

I'm talking about the era. You've done nothing but complain about it and you know it. I mean, when you were trying to put down the acclaim for Gaga's Oscars performance I knew something was up and it wasn't pretty.

3 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

You really did not get me at all. There is a difference between what I want her to do to what would make her successful. How did Justin Bieber manage to revive his career? By releasing catchy pop tunes to the radio & great promotion. It's not rocket science really. 

What I want is Gaga to be successful but creatively satisfied because I know what she can bring to the table.

But you're missing the whole point: Gaga revived her career by NOT releasing catchy pop tunes and by NOT doing what people expected she'd do. I mean, do you seriously not see how the general opinion (in media) about her has changed in just two years where she only released one solo track (and not even really, since it was part of a documentary)? Her entire reputation has done a 180 and she is 1000x better off than when she was starting the ARTPOP era or even the BTW era for that matter, because all the focus now is on the quality of her work and her person.

Her steady and amazing success in 2014/15/16 isn't rocket science either but you still fail to see it. Gaga is successful rn and she has been satisfied with what she's doing for the first time in years since the start of the C2C era. You should be happy. But you're not. And because of what I quoted above, now I don't even understand why you're not. She is in the absolute best place right now. Why are you trying to paint a dark picture? I don't understand it.. I really don't.

[Andreyw 4,285]

59 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Just..  

I dunno. Whatever.

She just won a ****ing Golden Globe, I think many people know now (esp. after that vine) + even the announcement of her going on AHS went viral and was much discussed by all sorts of media outlets. I don't believe your sketch of the situation at all.

Yeah, because young people don't watch tv shows right? And AHS really caters to the older generation, sure

Agreed about the jazz, but so what? Her last solo tour was in 2014, it's only 2016 She could've just disappeared like many artists do. A two year gap is not long at all. But no, we got another tour, we got much talked about performances, appearances and fashion moments, so I really don't see why some of you try to pretend that we're off worse than we were before. She's been getting unprecedented levels of continuous praise and even if the younger generation supposedly isn't picking up on that, surely it's a positive thing that we should celebrate. I mean, jeez, why put it down just because some kids who don't care about her don't talk about her every move? She obviously doesn't care, so if you care fine, but then don't pretend like we should care..

this time I agree with you

 

[Andreyw 4,285]

30 minutes ago, Didymus said:

You seriously expect me to read further than that?

This is literally what all your arguments are based on: nothing but what you see and sense around you. Well guess what, we all see something else. Thank GOD we're not all making threads about it.

Let's be ****ing real here, let's cut to the ****ing chase You HATE C2C, you've hated everything she did since 2014, you've done nothing but criticize her this whole entire time and now you make threads like this (twice and I recall you making the exact same thread with the Oscars performance actually), it's just obvious that you want something different from her than what she's doing now (and what she's praised for) and that's fine, but then say it like that

This is just pretense, I'm sorry. You made an earlier version of this thread based on a couple of YouTube comments and then you made it again because people weren't jumping into your trap. Now you made it again under the guise of "let's discuss if Gaga won the GP back" but really, all you care to do is simply repeat that she hasn't and that she has to walk the road you have somehow outlined: the road to success. That this is painfully ironic is simply obvious from the success and attention she has enjoyed in 2014-15-16 without doing anything you want her to do.

I agree that LG5's success is still to be cautiously looked out for, but that does not mean that people still think she's a girl walking around in a meat dress. Her antics have not been getting headlines for years now. And to be quite honest, it's almost chilling to see you favor a group of people who would only click on a headline to probably insult Gaga for being an attention wh-re again over an audience that actually respects her talent.

Just like with this:

Take my advice and get the **** out of Dodge

This is just you saying: I only care about commercial success and a large audience that is only paying attention for the wrong reasons. That's fine for you, but if we can trust anything we've seen for the last three years, she's not gonna do what you want her to do.

And for the record.. what about Bobby He managed to make Gaga more relevant without an album than when she was promoting one. Why don't you trust him? He's literally recuperated Gaga's entire career and allowing her to enjoy stable and respectful attention, praise and coverage during a time when, theoretically, she should be a nobody. That's why we're all happy excited. The only reason you're not is because of what I already said: you personally dislike the direction she's going in and you're taking this fake "GP" story to tell everyone.

Anyway..

God.. I can't believe I'm spending so much time on someone who says: "Her success in the future relies on catchy tunes radio will eat & great promotion. That's pretty much it." Do you even like her as an artist, seriously

I'm actually surprised that I can agree with you 100% in a thread

 

[Ronlop 6,882]

1 minute ago, Andreyw said:

I'm actually surprised that I can agree with you 100% in a thread

 

How do you agree with him telling me I hate C2C when you don't even know if I like or dislike C2C?

But okay...