uo111 5,246 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 10 hours ago, Mast said: https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/i-lost-my-virginity-to-david-bowie There's an interview with Lori Mattix at the end. From what she says, she seems to think there was nothing wrong with Bowie engaging in sexual acts with a minor because of who he was. She didn't think there was a reason to press charges, so she never did. Victimizing a person who has nothing but good things to say. The problem with attitudes like this is that it completely ignores the will of the "victim." "O, you had a great time and feel great about it? But you were only 15 you bitch, he raped you! FEEL BAD!" It must be some delusional sense of justice, because it's not protecting the "victim" in this case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mast 980 Posted January 12, 2016 Author Share Posted January 12, 2016 3 hours ago, uo111 said: Victimizing a person who has nothing but good things to say. The problem with attitudes like this is that it completely ignores the will of the "victim." "O, you had a great time and feel great about it? But you were only 15 you bitch, he raped you! FEEL BAD!" It must be some delusional sense of justice, because it's not protecting the "victim" in this case. The point is not to make her feel bad. The point is that if this happened, it was statutory rape, regardless of whether she thought she was giving consent or not. What I was saying about her was that she didn't think there was anything wrong, so she never spoke badly of him or pressed charges, but that doesn't mean there wasn't anything wrong with the fact he was having sex with an underage girl. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mast 980 Posted January 12, 2016 Author Share Posted January 12, 2016 10 hours ago, SKANK said: The very same people who moan about the importance of cultural relativism, and pretend to have modern enlightened views on human sexuality, won't hesitate to tar and feather an individual who dares touch another person before our legal system decides they are ready to be touched. If finding out that David Bowie had a sexual relationship with an underage girl ruins his music for you, then do yourself a favor and never research the private lives of your favorites artists, or you will be doomed to die in an art-free world. You will just walk around art museums covering your face and sobbing. Edger Allan Poe married his first cousin when she was only thirteen years old. Leonardo da Vinci, Walt Whitman, Oscar Wilde, Michelangelo, Christopher Isherwood, all had sexual and romantic relations with boys who would now consider to be underage. Do you like Alice and Wonderland, I hope not, because the author was a pedophile. Diego ****ed Frida when she was his student. Does Caravaggio being a murder prevent you from enjoying his paintings? Does William Burroughs having shot his wife in the face prevent you from reading Naked Lunch? If you only want to consume art that was created by perfect people then you will have to stick to reading The Bible. Oh wait, Mary of Nazareth was only fourteen when God forcibly impregnated her. Guess ya'll will have to torch the Bible too. I mean, that's not how I interpreted the article. I still like Bowie and admire his influence, but seeing as his character was part of his artistry, it's hard to separate his actions from his art. That is to say, I will celebrate his influence while keeping in mind that we must be critical of our idols and not glorify everything they do/did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronyoji 2,007 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 11 hours ago, Mast said: The point is not to make her feel bad. The point is that if this happened, it was statutory rape, regardless of whether she thought she was giving consent or not. What I was saying about her was that she didn't think there was anything wrong, so she never spoke badly of him or pressed charges, but that doesn't mean there wasn't anything wrong with the fact he was having sex with an underage girl. you sound stupid. like im sorry, if she was, what, how old did she say she was? 15? thats not a child, sorry. in certain countries, the age of consent is 16, does that somehow make them immoral? you're basing morality on an arbitrary law centered around a number. its only "rape" because of a law, not because someone actually was forced to have sex against their will, and 15 is an age where people are definitely sexual. show me a 15 year old that isnt having sex one way or another, experienced partner or not?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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