Do you consider Lady Gaga to be the greatest pop act of all time?

[ReidOne 12,427]

...and YES... I do consider the single "American Life" to be the high point of Madonna's career. Call me delusional all you like, but everything that Madonna worked for in the 80's and 90's came to fruition with "American Life" if you ask me. 

[Bebe 17,093]

1 minute ago, ReidOne said:

Sorry to quote myself, but I do have to add... Kylie Minogue can SANG live ---- have you ever seen her live in concert?! The woman has command over that mic!!! She may not have Whitney Houston range, but she can absolutely carry her tunes. This is why I love her! No backing track needed. 

I'm not saying Kylie cannot sing, but she is nowhere near a vocal powerhouse.

The point is that vocal talent isn't necessarily a huge factor in 'Pop music'. Even looking at some other pop girls: Ke$ha and Selena Gomez are pop stars, but they are not vocal talents. Victoria Beckham isn't a great singer but she belonged to one of the biggest pop groups ever, the Spice Girls.

The pop landscape is littered with examples of huge "pop acts" that are not great singers. It's clearly not something that's important to the genre, it's hard to argue that Gaga is the best pop act because she can sing well because singing well is not a requirement of the pop genre. 

In a lot of ways Gaga's vocal talent, her artistry, her bold fashion/performances and a lot of what makes her great works against her when trying to mold her into the perfect 'pop act'. I think there are better "Pop acts" out there, such as Katy, but I don't think that makes Katy better, more talented or more culturally significant than Gaga

[Nino 12]

6 minutes ago, Andres Miller said:

Michael Jackson is the only one that is widely known as "The King of Pop". No female has taken "The Queen of Pop" title in regards to mass recognition. 

What are you talking about? You must be very young. Back before Erotica made the gp turn on her Madonna was unreasonably and immeasurably popular just like Michael. They were equals right up until the day MJ died and the media started overrating him to cash in on his tragic death like the evil vultures they are.

Michael is the king of pop

Madonna is the queen of pop

Britney is the princess of pop

The general public all recognizes those titles, look for the citations here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorific_nicknames_in_popular_music :) 

[Gardevoir 9,821]

Why are you guys so overdramatic and judgemental. I think it's too eary now to consider her a legend, but she's on her proper way to become a one.

[Nino 12]

9 minutes ago, ReidOne said:

...and YES... I do consider the single "American Life" to be the high point of Madonna's career. Call me delusional all you like, but everything that Madonna worked for in the 80's and 90's came to fruition with "American Life" if you ask me. 

That era was so messy I'd imagine Madonna has literal nightmares about it  The Britney/other-singer-who-i-cant-seem-to-remember kiss was ICONIC and the music was very intelligently subversive though  

[ReidOne 12,427]

Just now, Emigrante said:

Why are you guys so overdramatic and judgemental. I think it's too eary now to consider her a legend, but she's on her proper way to become a one.

Love your perspective, but I will challenge it... Gaga is not merely "on her way"... she's already there. I 100% believe it. She's the best there's ever been in the realm of pop music. The rest can sit down and bow down. I fully, whole-heartedly believe that. 

[Andres Miller 206]

3 minutes ago, Nino said:

What are you talking about? You must be very young. Back before Erotica made the gp turn on her Madonna was unreasonably and immeasurably popular just like Michael. They were equals right up until the day MJ died and the media started overrating him to cash in on his tragic death like the evil vultures they are.

Oh gosh don't even try the age argument. 

I never once brought up Madonna or any other female artist. I'm just saying a female has yet to be widely recognized as "The Queen of Pop". (A stupid title in my opinion) I wasn't refuting your comment, just making an observation. 

However, since you bright up Madonna, maybe she'll earn the title of "The Queen of Pop" when she dies--like every other great had to do in order to be immortalized in pop-culture. 

[Nino 12]

2 minutes ago, Andres Miller said:

Oh gosh don't even try the age argument. 

I never once brought up Madonna or any other female artist. I'm just saying a female has yet to be widely recognized as "The Queen of Pop". (A stupid title in my opinion) I wasn't refuting your comment, just making an observation. 

However, since you bright up Madonna, maybe she'll earn the title of "The Queen of Pop" when she dies--like every other great had to do in order to be immortalized in pop-culture. 

I literally linked to an article full of citations of Madonna being called the queen of pop.  Try reading sometime

All the general public who isn't too young to know her recognizes Madonna as the queen of pop.

[Mast 980]

No. Not when we had Madonna and MJ.

[artRaver 3,188]

No. Make this post in 30 years and maybe I'll have a different stance on it. 

[ReidOne 12,427]

Just now, Nino said:

I literally linked to an article full of citations of Madonna being called the queen of pop.  Try reading sometime

No room for shade in this thread!!! Simply celebrations of our legends and defense of their legacy. Thank you!!

[Gardevoir 9,821]

47 minutes ago, ReidOne said:

OK, OK... I see this quickly spiraling into a, "No, Michael Jackson is the best" thread... which is perfectly appropriate.

But we also have to consider --- MJ lost his DAMN MIND once he reached Gaga's level of fame. Yet, Lady Gaga could not be more even-keeled if Iyanla Vanzant was her personal assistant. I mean, this girl has got it TOGETHER. She has a sane perspective, living in full moderation of everything in her life. That's a huge part of why I love her. She has her **** TOGETHER. Whitney, Michael, Janet, Mariah, Aretha, etc cannot say the same. 

Who exactly is Iyanla Vanzant? 

 

46 minutes ago, Bebe said:

Hmm as a 'Pop act' I'm not sure. From the purest sense of Pop as I envision it I think there are arguably better "Pop acts".

As a contemporary example, Katy Perry comes to mind. I'm not really a big fan of Katy personally, but she is undeniably fantastic as a pop star. She has music and videos that appeal to a large range of people (Little kids/Teenagers/Young adults) and has a very marketable image and sound.

Is Katy a great artist? Not in my opinion. Is she a great entertainer? Not in my opinion. But you only need to look at Teenage Dream to find what is arguably the perfect modern Pop album. I'm just not sure if you need to change the musical landscape, be avant-garde, have a fantastic voice or be artistic in order to be a great pop star.

Gaga is quite clearly a pop act and one of the most fascinating and multi-faceted pop acts we have around today. There is no denying that Gaga is a pop star and there is no denying that she is very talented and smart about what she does.

I think she is a great entertainer, a fantastic talent and a culturally significant figure. I'm confident she will be remembered as one of the greats. I don't know if someone like Katy will be seen in this light, she may or may not, but it feels to me that it is something other than just Gaga's place as a "pop act" that makes her significant.

I find Gaga to be the most captivating pop star of my time, but I don't think there is really a clear answer to this question. 

 

Also about Katy Perry. She doesn't have the scene attitude and personality to be one of the greatest act. She kinda acts like she's manufactured a little bit. (not a shade tho) In terms of being the legend, sales doesn't matter THAT much in my opinion. Of course you need the stable numbers, but don't have to be number 1 all the time. I remember how during the Prism Era, magazines were saying that Katy Perry is the new queen of pop, just because she reached success with Roar which is immature

[Nino 12]

Just now, ReidOne said:

No room for shade in this thread!!! Simply celebrations of our legends and defense of their legacy. Thank you!!

Sis I'm not being shady, they just didn't even try to read my reply to them, which is toxic to any good discussion. 

[ReidOne 12,427]

Just now, Emigrante said:

Who exactly is Iyanla Vanzant? 

 

Also about Katy Perry. She doesn't have the scene attitude and personality to be one of the greatest act. She kinda acts like she's manufactured a little bit. (not a shade tho) In terms of being the legend, sales doesn't matter THAT much in my opinion. Of course you need the stable numbers, but don't have to be number 1 all the time. I remember how during the Prism Era, magazines were saying that Katy Perry is the new queen of pop, just because she reached success with Roar which is immature

Katy Perry is a record label creation. We can't exactly fault her for becoming the puppet her employers paid her to be, can we?? LOL... 

Lady Gaga/Stefani Germanotta is the type of stage presence-talent that would be on our minds whether she was a worldwide sensation or a local NYC bar act. She's simply captivating and endlessly talented. And I personally find her at her "best" to be in excess of "the greatest" to ever do the job before her. 

[PunkTheFunk 124,403]

2 minutes ago, ReidOne said:

Love your perspective, but I will challenge it... Gaga is not merely "on her way"... she's already there. I 100% believe it. She's the best there's ever been in the realm of pop music. The rest can sit down and bow down. I fully, whole-heartedly believe that. 

Agreed. I think this picture is proof enough.