Private LGBT school opening in Atlanta

[teenagechrist 2,853]

2 minutes ago, ezrajones said:

There is no solution to the problem. Racism has been around for hundreds of years; homophobia as well. How many suicidal LGBT kids do we need to sacrifice in order for you to get there's a need for some other options  Sorry but I'm sick of waiting around for "Hope and Change". An ARTPOP App countdown tea

There is a solution to the problem. I mean, look at the last few years, people is way more tolerant now, society has changed a lot. There are still problems and there is intolerant people, but that's why we have to keep on working. As I said, I think it's a good alternative for those who really need it, I'm not against it, but I think that taking measures at school to fight against bullying would be a better option.

[Sizzily 14,574]

6 hours ago, VenusOddity said:

How is this preferencial? Did you read the article? THIS SCHOOL IS BEING OPENED BECAUSE LGBT+ PEOPLE DON'T FEEL AND ARE NOT SAFE IN PUBLIC SCHOOL AND ARE NOT BEING TEACHED SEXUAL EDUCATION USEFUL FOR THEM.

How is this preferencial when nearly 9 out of 10 students (source on the article) feels THREATENED in public Hetero schools? 

Y'all Heteros are too much for me to handle. Go wear short pants in winter and let us build safe spaces for ourselves.

WTF does that even mean? Some gays here are so messy. So just because they disagree with you, you're going to ignore their sexuality to push your hate of heterosexuals further? Amazing.

Nothing gets me heated more than gays talking **** about straight people and bi/pan people who are in relationships with the opposite sex. What are you trying to accomplish, driving them away from embracing us? Its these gays who set us back 50 years. Thank you so much.

Its not a great idea especially in a southern state (I know Atlanta is ok but the area surrounding isn't great).

[Tropico 4,145]

2 hours ago, uo111 said:

I can't imagine anything worse than going to school exclusively with catty gays. 

Do people think gays aren't going to bully each other? I don't care that the school exist, but it still sounds awful.

As awful as "all" anything schools. Catholic schools? The worst. All girl schools? ewwww.

 

Well..... All-boys schools....  that one might not be so bad. 

That's just more stereotyping. The idea that the school is filled with "catty gays". There's so much more to the gay community than just the catty gay and jock archetypes. 

Not to mention it isn't just gay people attending... There could be straight trans people in the school too. 

[ezrajones 587]

16 minutes ago, teenagechrist said:

There is a solution to the problem. I mean, look at the last few years, people is way more tolerant now, society has changed a lot. There are still problems and there is intolerant people, but that's why we have to keep on working. As I said, I think it's a good alternative for those who really need it, I'm not against it, but I think that taking measures at school to fight against bullying would be a better option.

Good luck with that last part. It was reported recently that youth suicide among LGBT-reported youths is at an all-time high just a few years ago. I doubt it's gotten any better or will for a very long time. In the time being, maybe some lives could be saved or changed for the better by having safer places to be sent for 5 days of the week.

[DrewStevens 5,249]

3 hours ago, ezrajones said:

Attending an all-boys or all-Catholic school is not being segregated  Liberals need to stop overusing incendiary words just for the sake of shock factor. Kinda like conservatives calling everyone who disagrees with them Hitler 

Segregation: The action or state of setting someone or something apart from other people or things or being set apart.

How is setting men apart from women not segregation?

Segregation is not a bad thing unless it's done with bad intentions.

Just because I don't have the same point of view as you it doesn't mean I'm a "liberal" and that I call everyone who disagrees with me "Hitler".  

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

1 hour ago, DrewStevens said:

Segregation: The action or state of setting someone or something apart from other people or things or being set apart.

@thread

Segregation has negative connotations. The meaning being borderline applicable does not mean the word is appropriate.

Also the people who attend this school are not being set apart. They are choosing to be apart. There is a major difference in that. The school isn't lobbying against non-LGBT people nor actively prohibiting their entry either. It's providing LGBT with the choice to be in an environment catered to them.

This applies to any type of private school targeting a particular demographic.

[ezrajones 587]

3 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

Segregation has negative connotations. The meaning being borderline applicable does not mean the word is appropriate.

Also the people who attend this school are not being set apart. They are choosing to be apart. There is a major difference in that. The school isn't lobbying against LGBT people. It's providing LGBT with the choice to be in an environment catered to them.

Exactly. These annoying gays in here "going against the grain!!" are just 

[hmm 979]

Just now, Tropico said:

This is also very important! Everyone knows the basics of heterosexual sex and usually, that's all that's taught when it comes to sex. But what about the in the closet lesbian girl or gay boy who doesn't know about the type of sex they're gonna have one day? 

A school like this could really help with that problem and possibly educate homosexuals on the prevalence of HIV/AIDS in the gay community (without the negative stereotype which they might hear from their straight friends on the matter). 

That's a problem with the education system in general (and presumably a bigger problem in America) and needs to be addressed in a different way to 'only educate in hypothetical LGBT-majority schools'. The vast majority of gay children wouldn't even attend those schools; they either wouldn't be in a financial/geographical situation to allow for it, wouldn't want to go to such a school or wouldn't be 'out' to their family to even make it possible to attend (or get parental permission to). Only properly educating those in such a situation is a half-assed solution to the very real problem of poor sex-ed in a lot of schools. 

FWIW: The bullying reasoning is poor logic too - it'll still go on in LGBT schools; for campness, weight, wealth and most likely sexuality itself too. The idea that LGBT folk are inherently more tolerant is nonsense and even though it's nothing more than anecdote, Alan Carr (the effeminate gay comedian) has admitted that a lot of the homophobic comments he receives comes from within the gay community so removing one source of bullying (from immature straight peers) to potentially replace it with another, probably more damaging source (from your supposed own 'group' of people) is useless too. 

Obviously students should have freedom of choice to attend though and if it benefits those people, good for them (although it seems pretty expensive, from a foreigner's perspective  ).

[Tropico 4,145]

2 minutes ago, hmm said:

That's a problem with the education system in general (and presumably a bigger problem in America) and needs to be addressed in a different way to 'only educate in hypothetical LGBT-majority schools'. The vast majority of gay children wouldn't even attend those schools; they either wouldn't be in a financial/geographical situation to allow for it, wouldn't want to go to such a school or wouldn't be 'out' to their family to even make it possible to attend (or get parental permission to). That's a half-assed solution to the very real problem of poor sex-ed in a lot of schools. 

FWIW: The bullying reasoning is poor logic too - it'll still go on in LGBT schools; for campness, weight, wealth and most likely sexuality itself too. The idea that LGBT folk are inherently more tolerant is nonsense and even though it's nothing more than anecdote, Alan Carr (the effeminate gay comedian) has admitted that a lot of the homophobic comments he receives comes from within the gay community so removing one source of bullying (from immature straight peers) to potentially replace it with another, probably more damaging source (from your supposed own 'group' of people) is useless too. 

The normal education system doesn't seem to be interested in educating students on how same sex sex works so I don't see the problem is LGBT schools taking on the responsibility. Even if this is only for a small group of LGBT members who can attend these schools, because it's better to educate those few on the matter than have no one educated on it. At least some people should be able to benefit from this school. 

 

I also dont think it ridiculous to assume the amount of bullying in regards to sexuslity would be considerably less in that type of schools. And the other things? That will happen anywhere, but it's worse if you're being bullied for all the other stuff and on top of that still being closeteded or bullied for your sexuality. 

The school is for kids who've struggled in public schools because of bullying, so why would they themselves bully? 

[DrewStevens 5,249]

2 minutes ago, hmm said:

That's a problem with the education system in general (and presumably a bigger problem in America) and needs to be addressed in a different way to 'only educate in hypothetical LGBT-majority schools'. The vast majority of gay children wouldn't even attend those schools; they either wouldn't be in a financial/geographical situation to allow for it, wouldn't want to go to such a school or wouldn't be 'out' to their family to even make it possible to attend (or get parental permission to). That's a half-assed solution to the very real problem of poor sex-ed in a lot of schools. 

FWIW: The bullying reasoning is poor logic too - it'll still go on in LGBT schools; for campness, weight, wealth and most likely sexuality itself too. The idea that LGBT folk are inherently more tolerant is nonsense and even though it's nothing more than anecdote, Alan Carr (the effeminate gay comedian) has admitted that a lot of the homophobic comments he receives comes from within the gay community so removing one source of bullying (from immature straight peers) to potentially replace it with another, probably more damaging source (from your supposed own 'group' of people) is useless too. 

I think you're missing a very important point.

Of course you can't eradicate bullying in its totality but you can reduce it. The amount of LGBT children and teens who have committed suicide because they were harassed by other students is way larger than teens who have committed suicide because they were discriminated for their race, weight and economic background.

While they can't prevent future altercations between the students, they can ensure that complaints are addressed properly unlike public schools where it always depends of how the teachers feel about LGBT issues. 

Bullying is likely to happen between LGBT people but harassment and crimes perpetrated by LGBT folks to other LGBT folks where discrimination is the motivation is very unlikely and almost non existent compared to the harassment and hate crimes perpetrated by straight cis people towards LGBT people.

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Just now, DrewStevens said:

I think you're missing a very important point.

Of course you can't eradicate bullying in its totality but you can reduce it. The amount of LGBT children and teens who have committed suicide because they were harassed by other students is way larger than teens who have committed suicide because they were discriminated for their race, weight and economic background.

While they can't prevent future altercations between the students, they can ensure that complaints are addressed properly unlike public schools where it always depends of how the teachers feel about LGBT issues. 

Bullying is likely to happen between LGBT people but harassment and crimes perpetrated by LGBT folks to other LGBT folks where discrimination is the motivation is very unlikely and almost non existent compared to the harassment and hate crimes perpetrated by straight cis people towards LGBT people.

Well true that I didn't consider the element of suicide rates so yeah I'm admittedly jumping to conclusions on that one  I guess in the context of limiting LGBT teen suicides it'll have some benefits then, but what is the actual likelihood of the very people most likely to commit suicide actually being in the position to benefit? I still think the wider solution is to sort out the messiness of public schools rather than excusing how **** the system is. 

[DrewStevens 5,249]

20 minutes ago, hmm said:

Well true that I didn't consider the element of suicide rates so yeah I'm admittedly jumping to conclusions on that one  I guess in the context of limiting LGBT teen suicides it'll have some benefits then, but what is the actual likelihood of the very people most likely to commit suicide actually being in the position to benefit? I still think the wider solution is to sort out the messiness of public schools rather than excusing how **** the system is. 

I agree. That should be the main focus but sadly is something that's going to take at least another generation and I worry about the children and teens who are gonna have to go through horrible things without finding justice at their schools.

I don't think every LGBT kid who goes through bullying should enroll in this school but I think a many trans teens who are going through transition would be better in this school where teachers are aware of their transition and involved in their development.

[darkchylde 14,857]

4 hours ago, Kylo Ren said:

WTF does that even mean? Some gays here are so messy. So just because they disagree with you, you're going to ignore their sexuality to push your hate of heterosexuals further? Amazing.

Nothing gets me heated more than gays talking **** about straight people and bi/pan people who are in relationships with the opposite sex. What are you trying to accomplish, driving them away from embracing us? Its these gays who set us back 50 years. Thank you so much.

Its not a great idea especially in a southern state (I know Atlanta is ok but the area surrounding isn't great).

I never have and never will talk **** about bi or pan people who share a relationship with someone of the "opposite" gender (tip: there are no opposite genders because men are not the opposite of women).

However, me "promoting hate" or whatever y'all are accusing me of thing is a mockery. "Its these gays who set us back 50 years" fvck you! I don't need non LGBT people to "embrace me". I need them to stay away and give the rights they took from us back to us.

I'm not "ingnoring" their sexuality. They make pretty clear they are straight with every no-homo joke, every tv ad, every perfume, every car, every whatever. I don't hate heterosexuals, I'm tired of them. I'm tired of having to cope with their ignorance. I'm tired of having to "educate them". I'm tired of being called "too sensitive" when talking about issues THEY created.

I stand on my point. There's nothing wrong with this. This is an amazing idea, I just hope they can afford security, becasue trust me, they well get assaults. Because we can't have one damn safe space without CisHet people taking it from us.

[Sudarshana 581]

2 hours ago, VenusOddity said:

I never have and never will talk **** about bi or pan people who share a relationship with someone of the "opposite" gender (tip: there are no opposite genders because men are not the opposite of women).

However, me "promoting hate" or whatever y'all are accusing me of thing is a mockery. "Its these gays who set us back 50 years" fvck you! I don't need non LGBT people to "embrace me". I need them to stay away and give the rights they took from us back to us.

I'm not "ingnoring" their sexuality. They make pretty clear they are straight with every no-homo joke, every tv ad, every perfume, every car, every whatever. I don't hate heterosexuals, I'm tired of them. I'm tired of having to cope with their ignorance. I'm tired of having to "educate them". I'm tired of being called "too sensitive" when talking about issues THEY created.

I stand on my point. There's nothing wrong with this. This is an amazing idea, I just hope they can afford security, becasue trust me, they well get assaults. Because we can't have one damn safe space without CisHet people taking it from us.

wo, can you stay more positive, please? it's just a forum discussion. we all want the best for our community, just not all of us agree with the idea of an LGBT school.

PS. if you don't want your fuсks to turn into ****s, just use the cyrillic "с" like I do 

[uo111 5,283]

19 hours ago, Tropico said:

That's just more stereotyping. The idea that the school is filled with "catty gays". There's so much more to the gay community than just the catty gay and jock archetypes. 

Not to mention it isn't just gay people attending... There could be straight trans people in the school too. 

The gays who gather and only hang out with gays are the catty gays. Stereotyping or not, it's just not for me.

ATRL is a perfect example of this, tbh.