Fiona Apple 13,006 Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 11 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: It's just one of these things you know. It's backed up by everyone in the biz. Gaga herself even said that even now, she's still being told what to do by the industry. She said things about how the corporate music business think they own you and try to make you conform and are messing with these young artists dreams without even knowing what the f**k they're doing, even saying that "it's poison and it's killing young people." It's in that AP interview in the room with all those sheets, at the very end. Of course she'll say nice things about Interscope (every artist does if they want to stay signed!), but that doesn't mean she harbours some issues with them here and there. That's not what I am talking about.That's obvious. You said that when artists are successful they let them do whatever they want and they have more freedom.Where did you get that from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,775 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Just now, CurlyBae said: That's not what I am talking about.That's obvious. You said that when artists are successful they let them do whatever they want and they have more freedom.Where did you get that from? Again, that's another generally accepted notion. Though it depends on the kind of material that was popular. If it was something mainstream like Rihanna's Good Girl Gone Bad, they'll probably be allowed to do something more experimental next time (and Rated R was the product of that). But as we saw, that album was very hit and miss, so she was right back the next year with the commercial Loud that she didn't write one line on. But if your successful work was something rather risky and experimental like Ellie Goulding's Halcyon, the opposite can be true - the label will encourage you to be more commercial because if experimental can sell, can you imagine what commercial will do? And Delirium was the product of that. But the ironic thing is that it really isn't selling well at all and hasn't had one massive hit yet (Love Me Like You Do isn't counted as a single release from the album). Gaga is one of the very few who made an experimental album (TFM) followed by another even more experimental album (BTW). It's very rare to see an artist get that chance. But Interscope trusted her that much. Until AP didn't live up to expectations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Apple 13,006 Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 8 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: Again, that's another generally accepted notion. Though it depends on the kind of material that was popular. If it was something mainstream like Rihanna's Good Girl Gone Bad, they'll probably be allowed to do something more experimental next time (and Rated R was the product of that). But as we saw, that album was very hit and miss, so she was right back the next year with the commercial Loud that she didn't write one line on. But if your successful work was something rather risky and experimental like Ellie Goulding's Halcyon, the opposite can be true - the label will encourage you to be more commercial because if experimental can sell, can you imagine what commercial will do? And Delirium was the product of that. But the ironic thing is that it really isn't selling well at all and hasn't had one massive hit yet (Love Me Like You Do isn't counted as a single release from the album). Gaga is one of the very few who made an experimental album (TFM) followed by another even more experimental album (BTW). It's very rare to see an artist get that chance. But Interscope trusted her that much. Until AP didn't live up to expectations. Not really I think that when an artist is more successful they push him/her more to maintain that success because THIS is their chance to make more money. When an artist declines and they understand that they can't make a lot of money from him anymore,they promote his work less,they push him less.It's absolutely normal. TFM and BTW aren't really that experimental They're obviously not basic pop but they aren't that experimental.They are just interesting pop albums. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,775 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Just now, CurlyBae said: Not really I think that when an artist is more successful they push him/her more to maintain that success because THIS is their chance to make more money. When an artist declines and they understand that they can't make a lot of money from him anymore,they promote his work less,they push him less.It's absolutely normal. TFM and BTW aren't really that experimental They're obviously not basic pop but they aren't that experimental.They are just interesting pop albums. Exactly, but they also think they're a bit like the goose that lays golden eggs. They don't want to stop them while they're on a roll and put them into a box when they seem to know what they're doing. So, they let them do their thing for a while. But when doing their thing no longer works, it's time to assert some control. For pop music, TFM and BTW were highly experimental. In fact, looking back on it, I am really shocked that they sold as well as they did. You just couldn't imagine these albums selling today, it just wouldn't happen. They just had the right support and the right pitch, so they sold. But when they don't have that push, they don't do as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlue 800 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I totally agree with you! Marketing and sales should not be the priority! Unfortunately the world and the society is actually based on marketting etc... Even though music is an art form that's how our society is Go on! Party and just enjoy the music It should be a detail. Really Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farron 257 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Well, I do love seeing Gaga on top, because I love her and I want her to be happy and successful. However, I would never start loving her any less just because she's not #1 on the charts. Plus, commercial success doesn't change the way a song sounds, so whether I like her music or not isn't influenced by that either. I don't really understand why people put such an importance on her being the greatest popstar in the game. I mean, there truly are people who leave this fanbase when she "flops" and then come running back, talking about how much they love her when something good happens in her career, and I must say, that makes me kind of sick. superhuman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VenusBlackStar 1,301 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Cuz in fan wars / stan wars people want something to throw at the "other side." The Internet makes it easier for fans to get together and crusade for their favorite just like fans of sports teams. Example: In NFL (National Football League in USA) world, Steelers fans always like to remind non-Steelers fans of the six Superbowl victories. It's a pride thing and also ammo to launch at haters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy 5,686 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 On January 4, 2016 at 7:20 AM, jojuun said: Because she set herself out to be "an interesting commercial artist". 2:05 She worked her ass of for years to get to the #1 spot in the industry. This is the woman who would be on the road every day, have press junkets all day, open up for PCD or NKOTB in the evening and then do one or two club sets at night. She took no prisoners and went straight for her goal: world dominance. And that drive, feeds us. Not necessarily being #1, although it is nice to see your fave having the top spot, but mostly because we want to see her hustle again. We want to see her drive, her ambition, her hunger. Cause when she doesn't have it, we get era's like ARTPOP. This so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexanderLevi2 5,849 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I want success for her so she can do an appropriate tour/music videos. Other than that, I don't really care! I still jam to ARTPOP. During the era, I started to get let down by her but only because everyone was talking about how terribly she had "flopped." Now, I don't really care about charts (they are interesting tho) and can enjoy the music I listen to so much more! Currently listening to Joanne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity Wave 7,635 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 It's not that I look at the commercial success more than at the music, because I really don't care about the charts or the sells of an album, if I like the music I buy an album. But I think we have to admit that for all the singers nowadays, the sells of their album are very important. And not only from the point of view of the renown in the music world, but most important for the cares that the music label has for the artist that sells more. It's the music business, if you sell then you're an important artist to promote. Why do you think that BTW was so promoted all around the world? Because it was a great album for sure, but also (and most important thing) because it was one of the most selling records of the '00, and the label believed in Gaga's work for the commercial success she had (it came after two very great successes ). This just to say that we monsters should not care so much about the commercial success as long as Gaga continues to drop these fantastic albums, but commercial success IS actually important. It makes a label decides whether to promote an artist or not, whether to finance a great tour all around the world or not, whether to support in general an artist or not. ARTPOP was actually not that bad, and in fact Gaga toured for ex with a magnificent stage etc, because the label supported her. But in the music industry (or at least in the pop music industry) these decisions are taken looking at the sells of an album, not at the deep lyrics or at the very good production of a song, sadly. I repeat, as long as Gaga drops these gorgeous albums and comes touring in my country, well I don't care about her commercial success. But if we want Gaga to tour all around the world (and I mean all around, like she did with the BTWball or even in more countries) then she has to deliver a great success with her new album, in my opinion. Colourful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter 3,640 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 because we want the best for the people we love and being successful is a significant part of their "best". /end thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanye West 1,676 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 On 04/01/2016 at 3:16 PM, Didymus said: Maybe that would've counted in 2009 but not anymore She's RICH. Then why was Gaga unable to make videos for her favourite songs for BTW despite fighting to do so? Why did ARTPOP only have two music videos? Fact is, commercial success matters when it comes to Gaga. She isn't a barely known artist that has free reign over her entire career like Karlis or whatever her name is. She is signed to a mainstream label. She is not allowed to put out more music videos if her label believes they are destined to fail. Success plays a huge role for Gaga's live peformances, costumes, music videos, and more. There is nothing we can do about it. This is why eras are cut short when the artist starts to underperform. This is why commercial success matters. KANYEWEST.COM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 45 minutes ago, Imperial POP said: Then why was Gaga unable to make videos for her favourite songs for BTW despite fighting to do so? Why did ARTPOP only have two music videos? Because she was saving up for a Malibu mansion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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