Oregon terrorists don't plan siege very well, put out plea for snacks

[Kermit 15,807]

19 minutes ago, DominicB said:

I wasn't speaking of you in particular but okay.

+ I don't recall labeling anyone as a racist, I might have meant that some people aren't really insightful to others' struggles in life. I certainly hope this won't get replied to seeing I don't have the time as I am dealing with major conflicts right now.

 

 

Just now, Fays1 said:

Im a Arab Muslim that lives in the Middle East.. not anyone who defends white people must be a biased white. Also I dont think anyone talked about other races or degraded their experiences.
 

Muslim Brotherhood are not terrorists but they turned into one after what happened to them.. after they peacefully protested their legal right, the military regime issues a warning for them to go back to their houses or they will be killed and the government ended up killing 2000 civilians in only a couple of hours in the Rabaa Massacre. America and Human Rights supported the Muslim Brotherhood.

Not speaking of any race in particular, as iv'e stated previously.

I certainly hope this won't get replied to seeing I don't have the time as I am dealing with major conflicts right now. 

[Luiz 4,253]

Just now, Fays1 said:

Im a Arab Muslim that lives in the Middle East.. not anyone who defends white people must be a biased white. Also I dont think anyone talked about other races or degraded their experiences.
 

Muslim Brotherhood are not terrorists but they turned into one after what happened to them.. after they peacefully protested their legal right, the military regime issues a warning for them to go back to their houses or they will be killed and the government ended up killing 2000 civilians in only a couple of hours in the Rabaa Massacre. America and Human Rights supported the Muslim Brotherhood.

honestly though you can understand what they did since there was chaos going on in egypt. the US government is not in the same chaotic type situation as egypt was during those protests. their use of firearms during that time with how the egyptian military reacted to the protests can be justified. 

 

different situations that you cant really compare imo

[JbGaga 2,261]

Just now, Luiz said:

did BLM or occupy wallstreet have a bunch of armed protesters saying they would fight back if they are forced to leave? the firearms is where the intimidation obviously comes in  and thats where i can see a case made that they are terrorists. 

 

now this whole convo seems pointless to me since this is really just being used to point to hypocrisy and avoid the actual issue. fox news loves to do that stuff like when they mention black on black crime not because they actually care but use it to call BLM hypocrites. 

 

i'm damn near done with this thread  

I watched live coverage of BLM protests I heard the live gun shoots durring protests and saw them throwing rocks and bottles and destroying property and business's . Yea that sounds like Terrorism. Fire arms dont make Terrorists a Terrorists. The Airplanes on 9-11 Didnt involve 1 gun.

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1 minute ago, Luiz said:

honestly though you can understand what they did since there was chaos going on in egypt. the US government is not in the same chaotic type situation as egypt was during those protests. their use of firearms during that time with how the egyptian military reacted to the protests can be justified. 

 

different situations that you cant really compare imo

Yeah I agree

[JbGaga 2,261]

4 minutes ago, ajhuffman219 said:

I've been disappointed by GGD a lot lately. It has become an almost hostile environment where only the "popular" opinion is allowed. I may, unfortunately, be taking a hiatus soon. 

Moderator litteraly said he doesnt know enough about world Politics to say or chance anything.... Give me a F-ing break! Sorry thats not cool. Moderators should be fair but they clearly are bias

[Luiz 4,253]

Just now, JbGaga said:

I watched live coverage of BLM protests I heard the live gun shoots durring protests and saw them throwing rocks and bottles and destroying property and business's . Yea that sounds like Terrorism. Fire arms dont make Terrorists a Terrorists. The Airplanes on 9-11 Didnt involve 1 gun.

i've seen a few shootings at a protest and it was by the white guys who came to harass the protesters and shot at them. the other one looked like a beef that had nothing to do with the protest. can you call the rioters in baltimore "terrorists"? welp by definition i'd say you could  .

firearms are intimidating especially when there is an added threat of using them if your protest is stopped

 

9/11 involved a plane flying into buildings  a bit more intimidating than a gun 

[lego 44,165]

On 1/3/2016 at 6:02 PM, Bebe said:

I know we can all joke about them being 'mentally ill' as the media treats white terrorists, but surely the media cannot call this anything else but terrorism.

I mean the first definition Google gives for terrorism: "the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims."

I mean they have taken over a federal building and are threatening violence if their terms are not met. Plus there is a group of them, it can hardly be dismissed as a "mentally ill, lone wolf" type thing.

 

On 1/3/2016 at 6:28 PM, Kayla said:

What's interesting is what they're doing with their guns is exactly what many pro-gun people support; using them to protect yourself against the government, forming a citizen's militia to stand up against an (allegedly) unfair government. 

The criticisms raised in this thread are totally legitimate- if this were a group of muslims, mexicans, or black people doing the exact same thing, they would be met with force and people judging their entire race. But this will not be used to represent white people, they will not be used to inspire fear, and people will continue to ignore the fact that majority of terrorist attacks that have occurred on US soil have been white, christian, right-wing men. 

 

 

Quoting these, since some have issue with moderation.

[JbGaga 2,261]

1 minute ago, Luiz said:

i've seen a few shootings at a protest and it was by the white guys who came to harass the protesters and shot at them. the other one looked like a beef that had nothing to do with the protest. can you call the rioters in baltimore "terrorists"? welp by definition i'd say you could  .

firearms are intimidating especially when there is an added threat of using them if your protest is stopped

 

9/11 involved a plane flying into buildings  a bit more intimidating than a gun 

The Militia has not even done anything Violent tho. They are Occupying land. So what have they done thats so violent to be called terrorists? Because they have guns? Haveing a gun does not make you a terrorist

[Bebe 17,289]

Whether people agree or  do not, they have been labelled as terrorists by a CNN National Security Analyst: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/03/opinions/kayyem-oregon-building-takeover-terrorism/index.html

This has been echoed by the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/03/why-arent-we-calling-the-oregon-militia-terrorists/

and large international headlines are remarking that they are terrorists: http://www.smh.com.au/world/why-arent-we-calling-the-oregon-occupiers-terrorists-20160104-glza7p.html

Tom Mockaitis, who is an "International security analyst/military historian. Prof. of History, DePaul University [and] teaches counter- terrorism courses around the world." has written this for The Huffington Post:

"I have a strong suspicion, though, that objections to the terrorist label are more visceral. Terrorists are supposed to be dark-skinned and non-Christian. People are thus quick to apply the term to outsiders and far more willing to find a gentler word to describe those from their own social group. If members of the Black Lives Matter or Occupy Wall Street movements had shown up to their protests as heavily armed as the men in Oregon, the same people defending the "militiamen" would probably be calling on the government to use all necessary force to apprehend the "terrorists.""

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-mockaitis/the-oregon-standoff-and-t_b_8910690.html?ir=Australia

Whether you agree or you do not, the label "terrorist" has been picked up by many reputable news sources. If CNN, The Washington Post and The Huffington Post can call terrorism then I think the title is fine. If you want to argue that it isn't terrorism, that's your prerogative, but the title is fine from my perspective. Especially when it is taken into account that there are major news sources referring to them as "terrorists".

[AJH219 4,448]

Its hard to take moderation seriously when they are biased as well. But, what else should I expect on a site like this?

[lego 44,165]

The title is changed, it's an actual title from Independent. Hope you're all happy. 

[Luiz 4,253]

1 minute ago, JbGaga said:

The Militia has not even done anything Violent tho. They are Occupying land. So what have they done thats so violent to be called terrorists? Because they have guns? Haveing a gun does not make you a terrorist

taking over a government building and threatening to use lethal force if removed is intimidating. their goal seems political. like i said i can see it both ways.

 

whether you call the terrorists, protesters, farmers or even care bears it doesnt change the situation imo  

[JbGaga 2,261]

5 minutes ago, SubRosa said:

 

 

 

Quoting these, since some have issue with moderation.

If your prepared to called every protest group (Black Lives Matter and All) Terrorists im ready to leave here and let you keep your title. But I doubt you will cause your pushing a different agenda here.

[AJH219 4,448]

1 minute ago, Luiz said:

taking over a government building and threatening to use lethal force if removed is intimidating. their goal seems political. like i said i can see it both ways.

 

whether you call the terrorists, protesters, farmers or even care bears it doesnt change the situation imo  

A visitor's center on a wildlife preserve, or wherever the place is at, is hardly an intimidating place though. 

[Morphine Prince 109,655]

I'm glad people in this thread are debating on whether the word "terrorist" can be used in this situation and honestly it can go either way.

I am choosing to call them terrorists.

I love seeing how bothered people get. If these were not white men you KNOW "terrorism" or "thugs" would be thrown around without question. Maybe next time you'll re-consider the words you use against non-whites.