Oregon terrorists don't plan siege very well, put out plea for snacks

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7 minutes ago, Kayla said:

What's interesting is what they're doing with their guns is exactly what many pro-gun people support; using them to protect yourself against the government, forming a citizen's militia to stand up against an (allegedly) unfair government. 

The criticisms raised in this thread are totally legitimate- if this were a group of muslims, mexicans, or black people doing the exact same thing, they would be met with force and people judging their entire race. But this will not be used to represent white people, they will not be used to inspire fear, and people will continue to ignore the fact that majority of terrorist attacks that have occurred on US soil have been white, christian, right-wing men. 

It is used to judge white conservative christians in the south though.. These are not terrorists specially that they did not commit any terrorist acts and they are simply asking for their rights!

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9 minutes ago, Tokyo Rose said:

How did I know someone would copy and paste wikipedia to "prove me wrong".

Islam is foreign to the US, as is Arab immigration.

Yes there are anecdotal instances of people from the Middle East coming here, that doesn't change the facts.

lol What can I do when you are wrong.  Arab immigration is not the same as Islam. 

Wikipedia has sources for each of those claims. It's still more reliable than random post by ggd member without any source. 

And of course you would ignore the religion of many slaves and call it "anecdotal instance". 

What was your point anyway? You didn't reply why are generations of muslims born and raised in America - 'foreigners' to you. They are as much American as any of these rednecks. 

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6 minutes ago, SubRosa said:

lol What can I do when you are wrong.  Arab immigration is not the same as Islam. 

Wikipedia has sources for each of those claims. It's still more reliable than random post by ggd member without any source. 

And of course you would ignore the religion of many slaves and call it "anecdotal instance". 

What was your point anyway? You didn't reply why are generations of muslims born and raised in America - 'foreigners' to you. They are as much American as any of these rednecks. 

Ok you win, Islam isn't a foreign religion. Sounds like brilliant stuff, thanks 

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11 minutes ago, Kayla said:

What's interesting is what they're doing with their guns is exactly what many pro-gun people support; using them to protect yourself against the government, forming a citizen's militia to stand up against an (allegedly) unfair government. 

The criticisms raised in this thread are totally legitimate- if this were a group of muslims, mexicans, or black people doing the exact same thing, they would be met with force and people judging their entire race. But this will not be used to represent white people, they will not be used to inspire fear, and people will continue to ignore the fact that majority of terrorist attacks that have occurred on US soil have been white, christian, right-wing men. 

 

Yeah your post reminded me of the tweets I saw earlier

 

 

 

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31 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

CNN anchor just said the protesters have said "They are prepared to use violence if they feel they are attacked first" 

So peaceful. 

 

"1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.

3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government."

 

Definition of terrorism. 

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lmao they need a new hobbie

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from what i heard the building was empty and there is nobody dead or anything yet so there isnt really any outrage going on right now. it will just be viewed as a protest by farmers that are getting their land taken by the government. theres no crazy ideology fueling this either like islamist jihad or racism so its less scary which means it not that great for ratings. pissed off farmers in oregon dont scare the entire country.

 

if they had some color in their skin it might be a different story but right now it looks like the big news is the saudi embassy in iran being attacked

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So, in a nutshell, the government wants these farmers to sale their land so they can add it to a wildlife refuge, but the farmers refused. That seems fair to me, its a simple "no thanks I'm not interested" kind of situation. But, according to the farmers, the government has been harassing them ever since they turned down the offer. That also is plausible, we know our government has a history of doing this to its citizens. If this is the root problem of their anger, then I am 100% supportive of their cause.

However, I have to question why they feel the need to use violence in this situation. It seems they have a rather large group of supporters and a well-thought protest or even a sit-in would surely send a better message. In other words, I don't think we're getting the entire story and I refuse to draw conclusions and cast judgement until we do. 

 

 

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His brother, Ryan, told the Oregonian the militants are “willing to kill and be killed if necessary”.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/04/oregon-militia-ammon-bundy-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge

 

#VanilaISIS #YallQaeda

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"If, in a vacuum, I told you that a bearded man with his head covered had posted a video on social media calling on his followers to leave their homes with weapons, migrate to a new area, take over government property “as long as necessary”and use violence if confronted by law enforcement, you’d probably assume that I was talking about the latest propaganda video released by Isis, filmed in Iraq or Syria and intended to recruit violent Muslim extremists.

 

But that exact call was recently issued on Facebook by white rancher Ammon Bundy, the son of Cliven Bundy who also engaged in an armed standoff with law enforcement in 2014 and who currently owes the government more than $1m in fees. The younger Bundy’s goal this time was to encourage his fellow American “patriots” to take up arms against the US government in protest of the arson convictions of ranchers Dwight Hammond Jr and his son, Steven.

Militia leaders claim approximately 150 followers accepted Ammon Bundy’s call, although reporters on the ground are saying it’s far fewer. The armed men are currently occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Burns, Oregon to, in their words,“assist in helping the people of Harney County claim back their lands and resources”. Ammon Bundy has said that his people won’t “rule out violence” if law enforcement “tries to remove them”.

 

But, don’t worry America: he promised everyone that “we are not terrorists”. What a relief.

Of course they’re not “terrorists”: Bundy and his followers are just your average angry white “freedom fighters”, who use weapons and ammunition to protect the US constitution and American values from the government and other Americans who want them to abide by federal laws like everyone else.

But if Bundy and his followers were like the 38% of Americans who aren’t white, people across America wouldn’t be watching this surreal, dangerous episode unfold and wondering what they could do to be labeled a “militia” when occupying a federal area with guns instead of “terrorists”, “thugs”, “extremists” or “gangs”.

If one black man holding a plastic toy gun even walked in the direction of a federal building, let alone with 150 other black men all holding loaded rifles, he’d be shot dead by law enforcement, no questions asked. If 15 Muslims occupied a 7-Eleven with BB guns and masala Slurpees, federal law enforcement would probably roll up with six MRAPs and immediately take everyone out Waco-style (but without a congressional investigation).

We don’t need to racially profile individuals who look like these armed militiamen (white men with bushy beards and beer bellies), but it’s time for mainstream politicians to at least acknowledge and confront this dangerous threat within our borders."

 

read all 

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/04/if-the-oregon-militiamen-were-muslim-or-black-they-would-probably-be-dead-by-now-ammon-bundy

 

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On January 3, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Tokyo Rose said:

How did I know someone would copy and paste wikipedia to "prove me wrong".

Islam is foreign to the US, as is Arab immigration.

Yes there are anecdotal instances of people from the Middle East coming here, that doesn't change the facts.

In reality everything is including Catholicism and Christianity, unless you're Native American. Really it has to do with the incorrect stereotypes. If they were Muslim they would have killed them immediately, but since they're white it's all this "peaceful" bull****.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/terrorists-freedom-fighters-oregon-standoff-poses-quandary-for-media/2016/01/03/3fe21342-b26c-11e5-9388-466021d971de_story.html?postshare=4001451873738015&tid=ss_tw

 

one of the comments 

 

 

"they are terrorists in the waiting since they are armed and they promised to shoot if law enforcement makes any attempts to remove them from the federal land site they are occupying so we have to wait till they shoot to call them terrorists then semantics will be no problem"

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[Goosey 3,017]

I reported the thread for misleading title. 

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3 minutes ago, Goosey said:

I reported the thread for misleading title. 

@Kayla and @Bebe already posted here and both agree that this fits to definition of terrorism.

So how is it misleading? Did it hurt your feelings?

 

"His brother, Ryan, told the Oregonian the militants are “willing to kill and be killed if necessary”.