teenagechrist 2,853 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 3 minutes ago, fobbyassLM said: Pleas explain to me how is saying ARTPOP's commercial flop is been disrespectful? Saying an album flop does not equal that album is trash. It just simply wasn't commercially and awardly successful, I still damn love some tracks from the album. But it's not only saying that it's a flop, it's saying that the album was a mistake. Anyway, I'm not referring to this thread, I was making a general comment about how there's always a few fans trying to drag the album in the ARTPOP threads that we get every month. LM's are very, very harsh with the album, and it makes me feel bad for her. I don't even consider it a commercial flop, maybe it didn't slay the charts as she used to with the previous albums, but it did simply great. The era was messy, but that's another thing. feeling so hot tamale Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeman 189 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 53 minutes ago, fobbyassLM said: I'm sorry but English is not my first language so i don't quite understand what are u talking about after your first sentence. You use too much words I don't understand what is ERM? and what does fobbed off means? erm is a filler not important and fobbed off means To offer or put into circulation (an inferior or spurious item): spurious means not genuine, authentic, or true; not from the claimed, pretended, or proper source; counterfeit. fob "v. "to cheat," late 14c., from obsolete noun fobbe "cheat, trickster" (late 14c.), perhaps from Old French forbe "cheat" [OED]. Alternative etymology holds that the word is perhaps related to German foppen "to jeer at, make a fool of" (see fop ); or from German fuppen, einfuppen "to pocket stealthily," which would connect it to fob (n.). To fob (someone) off is first recorded 1590s. Related: Fobbed ; fobbing." http://dictionary.reference.com is your friend.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley 59,099 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 11 hours ago, Ray of Light said: Unlike her worst album / biggest mistake in her career / breeder of her most delusional fans. This post is so wrong and you are extremely disrespectful and you sound uncivilized. An album that is not for everyone is not a bad album, nor a mistake, and perhaps you should embrace others' opinion instead of calling whoever that doesn't hold your opinion 'delusional'. There are things I don't agree with on this forum, but I don't say nasty things like that to or about them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley 59,099 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 I'm not saying ARTPOP is Gaga's best project thus far, but it's far from being a bad album, in fact it should be applauded. The album is filled with catchy and unique tunes with praiseworthy ambitions. I guess if ARTPOP sold 10 million copies people would have said a different thing about it, this is when people let the commercial performance of an album affect their judgment on the music. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levine 23,583 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 The delusion, She is a true little monster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007 5,291 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 12 hours ago, Imperial POP said: Why doesn't she defend her better albums like The Fame Monster? Defend it from what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara 1,128 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 1 hour ago, fobbyassLM said: Pleas explain to me how is saying ARTPOP's commercial flop is been disrespectful? Saying an album flop does not equal that album is trash. It just simply wasn't commercially and awardly successful, I still damn love some tracks from the album. It is disrespectful. The word "flop" means "failure", and that's a disrespectful thing to call someone's work unless it truly absolutely fails in every way. Even then, you shouldn't use that term, but rather offer some constructive criticism instead of just hating on it. It wasn't even a commercial flop. It sold more than most albums released that year. It just didn't sell as well as her previous albums. It's only a commercial flop if you chose to judge every album only by the sales numbers of the previous album, which is THE most shallow way you could possibly judge an album. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeman 189 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 1 hour ago, fobbyassLM said: A seriously damaged mental health that's what she gets Where did you read that? Who has the mental health issues the people attacking someone or the one trying to hold it together under a barrage of abuse? This is really just unacceptable I mean what are other artists going to feel like coming out and being themselves when they have been shown what sort of treatment they are going to get? This is what this is about our best people getting intimidated and held down from the ealiest days in school in favour of useless bully fakes. I tell you what no way is this going to continue there has to be a safe space for art to flourish and so culture can develop and an end to this shocking abuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlaeUrAnus 15,969 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 12 hours ago, Ray of Light said: They defend themselves pretty well. Unlike her worst album / biggest mistake in her career / breeder of her most delusional fans. Oh my God, the truth In my messy era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serendipity 7,821 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 1 hour ago, fobbyassLM said: FILLERS DID U SRSLY CALL AURA AND SEXXX DREAMS FILLERS HOW UNGRATEFUL AND DISRESPECT No I am not ashamed ARTPOP was a travesty only 5/15 are good, rest are ABSOLUTE FILLERS C2C was a MASSIVE improvement See talent here-->http://bit.ly/2eqeUxK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara 1,128 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 12 hours ago, Ray of Light said: They defend themselves pretty well. Unlike her worst album / biggest mistake in her career / breeder of her most delusional fans. You forgot to add " / target for no-class haters and bitter drama queens" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riot Poof 2,236 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 I guess I'm the only person who thinks she's getting progressively better with her pop music. I'm not a woman. I'm not a man. I am something that you'll never understand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara 1,128 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 2 minutes ago, Riot Poof said: I guess I'm the only person who thinks she's getting progressively better with her pop music. No, you are not. For the past year, I'd say I listen to ARTPOP tracks more than any other. I don't listen to C2C as often. but I LOVE C2C, it's just I have to be in a certain mellow-romantic mood to get into Jazz, and that mood doesn't come around as often as my "party" mood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 46 minutes ago, Sara said: It is disrespectful. The word "flop" means "failure", and that's a disrespectful thing to call someone's work unless it truly absolutely fails in every way. Even then, you shouldn't use that term, but rather offer some constructive criticism instead of just hating on it. It wasn't even a commercial flop. It sold more than most albums released that year. It just didn't sell as well as her previous albums. It's only a commercial flop if you chose to judge every album only by the sales numbers of the previous album, which is THE most shallow way you could possibly judge an album. I don't really get that though. I mean, commercially speaking how is comparing two album's successes "shallow"? The fact is that she declined dramatically commercially. That's not even criticism that's just a reality. Whether or not you react emotionally to that is your own bias. I don't give a **** about charts, but it's still funny to me how pre-ARTPOP everyone here was parading around the notion that Gaga's album sales proved her superiority over other female pop artists and then when she sells just as much as them in 2013 suddenly the bar is lowered and now it's absolutely fine that she sells as much as Katy ****ing Perry's record Calling it a flop for that reason is not "hate" to me. It's the people who change their minds every four seconds to find new ways to keep Gaga protected from even the most obvious scrutiny that are really shallow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara 1,128 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 5 minutes ago, Didymus said: I don't really get that though. I mean, commercially speaking how is comparing two album's successes "shallow"? The fact is that she declined dramatically commercially. That's not even criticism that's just a reality. Whether or not you react emotionally to that is your own bias. I don't give a **** about charts, but it's still funny to me how pre-ARTPOP everyone here was parading around the notion that Gaga's album sales proved her superiority over other female pop artists and then when she sells just as much as them in 2013 suddenly the bar is lowered and now it's absolutely fine that she sells as much as Katy ****ing Perry's record Calling it a flop for that reason is not "hate" to me. It's the people who change their minds every four seconds to find new ways to keep Gaga protected from even the most obvious scrutiny that are really shallow. True, I never agreed with calling Gaga "superior" just because she charted better than other artists years ago. I don't like pitting artists against each other because each has their own thing, and as long as enough people like their music to pay the bills, then they are just as worthy. But I don't like comparing the commercial success of albums of the same artist. I've become a bit of a fan of Fleetwood Mac, and I think Tusk is a genius album that stood the test of time. I was horrified to find out that Tusk was considered a huge flop when it was released just because it didn't sell as well as their previous album Rumors. I do consider that shallow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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