mmm 879 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Trump did not ban all muslims, he banned muslim refugees! and he only said he will ban them temporarily until more investigation is done to keep the US safe. It is insanely stupid to allow people you bomb and kill into your country and yes muslims are not terrorists but with ISIS presence in Syria, its a big risk to take refugees because 1% of these refugees entering the US will be ISIS members and that 1% is a big number. You can help refugees by helping them in other countries like turkey because the only reason refugees are leaving turkey is because there isnt enough food and places for them and they cant work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 22 minutes ago, Fays1 said: Trump did not ban all muslims, he banned muslim refugees! and he only said he will ban them temporarily until more investigation is done to keep the US safe. It is insanely stupid to allow people you bomb and kill into your country and yes muslims are not terrorists but with ISIS presence in Syria, its a big risk to take refugees because 1% of these refugees entering the US will be ISIS members and that 1% is a big number. You can help refugees by helping them in other countries like turkey because the only reason refugees are leaving turkey is because there isnt enough food and places for them and they cant work. He didn't ban anyone, as he's not able to do so, but he suggested it. And no, he said all muslim immigration and he included tourists and American muslims who are abroad, they wouldn't be allowed back! If it's only about refugees, people can lie about their religion to get asylum. USA would be the first country in the present day, which bans entry based on the religion. The fear of having terrorists among refugees is as rational as having nazi spies among Jews when the US refused to take them as refugees, even children. Also the screening/background checking is very detailed and long, there is no way IS fighter has time to go through all that and risk of getting caught. There are other ways to enter the US illegally. Also shooter in San Bernardino was born American, so you already have people inside who are radicalized, so you won't prevent anything with "muslim ban". FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Additionally, Trump clarified that even American Muslims abroad would fall under his proposed plan. When The Hill asked whether Muslim-Americans would be included, Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks replied by email, "Mr. Trump says, ‘everyone’." https://www.rt.com/usa/325046-trump-muslim-ban-usa/ FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 2 minutes ago, lego said: he said all muslim immigration and he included tourists and American muslims who are abroad, they wouldn't be allowed back! If it's only about refugees, people can lie about their religion to get asylum. USA would be the first country in the present day, which bans entry based on the religion. The fear of having terrorists among refugees is as rational as having nazi spies among Jews when the US refused to take them as refugees, even children. Also the screening/background checking is very detailed and long, there is no way IS fighter has time to go through all that and risk of getting caught. I dont think he included tourists and muslims abroad.. he was talking about the danger of getting big number of refugees from a country full of terrorists at the moment. You might disagree with him thats fine but people are overreacting! If these refugees are really fleeing being killed then yes America should take them in but these people have the choice to live in the government part of syria or in turkey and other places but nobody is funding these places to take full care of them. America would do way better for refugees if they helped them there and it would be better for America aswell. The reason why I dont want a huge number of refugees entering the west is because I know for sure that a big terrorist attack like 9/11 will happen again and it will not look good for them or muslims. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaMonster 1,806 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 10 minutes ago, lego said: Additionally, Trump clarified that even American Muslims abroad would fall under his proposed plan. When The Hill asked whether Muslim-Americans would be included, Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks replied by email, "Mr. Trump says, ‘everyone’." https://www.rt.com/usa/325046-trump-muslim-ban-usa/ How will he understand if people are muslim or not unless they have an obviously muslim name ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 1 minute ago, Fays1 said: I dont think he included tourists and muslims abroad.. he was talking about the danger of getting big number of refugees from a country full of terrorists at the moment. You might disagree with him thats fine but people are overreacting! If these refugees are really fleeing being killed then yes America should take them in but these people have the choice to live in the government part of syria or in turkey and other places but nobody is funding these places to take full care of them. America would do way better for refugees if they helped them there and it would be better for America aswell. The reason why I dont want a huge number of refugees entering the west is because I know for sure that a big terrorist attack like 9/11 will happen again and it will not look good for them or muslims. Look at my post above, "total and complete shutdown of muslims". "Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski said Trump’s proposed ban would apply to “everybody”, including Muslims seeking immigration visas as well as tourists seeking to enter the country. Another Trump staffer confirmed that the ban would also apply to American Muslims who were currently overseas – presumably including members of the military and diplomatic service." http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/07/donald-trump-ban-all-muslims-entering-us-san-bernardino-shooting They don't want to live in those refugee camps and that is completely understandable. The U.S. only agreed to 10.000 refugees, they took close to 800.000 muslim refugees since the 90s and only 3 people had charges related to terrorism, like sending money, propaganda material etc. The 9/11 wasn't done by refugees. 3 minutes ago, AlphaMonster said: How will he understand if people are muslim or not unless they have an obviously muslim name ? He won't. That's why I said it wouldn't work. There are white Europeans who converted to islam and never changed their name. Then there are those who do not have obvious muslim name. So he would only ban "middle eastern looking" ones, which is funny for example I know one Syrian with ginger hair and very pale skin. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOLANTIS 16,504 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I'm actually really scared he might actually win. #MTVStars Hillary Clinton. I'll lift you 3 inches off the ground and drag you to a meter and a half Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 3 hours ago, lego said: Look at my post above, "total and complete shutdown of muslims". "Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski said Trump’s proposed ban would apply to “everybody”, including Muslims seeking immigration visas as well as tourists seeking to enter the country. Another Trump staffer confirmed that the ban would also apply to American Muslims who were currently overseas – presumably including members of the military and diplomatic service." http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/07/donald-trump-ban-all-muslims-entering-us-san-bernardino-shooting They don't want to live in those refugee camps and that is completely understandable. The U.S. only agreed to 10.000 refugees, they took close to 800.000 muslim refugees since the 90s and only 3 people had charges related to terrorism, like sending money, propaganda material etc. The 9/11 wasn't done by refugees. He made a interview on CNN saying thats not what he meant.. I know refugees are not responsible for any terrorist attacks but im just saying that muslims will be hated everywhere if something like 9/11 happens and they will blame it on accepting muslims refugees and thats why I prefer to live in our country than for people to make us feel bad about being helped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 1 hour ago, AlphaMonster said: Prince gave him a response that tells Trump that "wake and smell the briskets idiot, you are not becoming anything." because Trump is overstepping fueled with power of stupidity every time with his claims about Prince's identity. He would not someone finding Islam illogical or anything, but Trump is playing on muslims directly which is a demographic he is also a member of. I do not think that he has concerns about getting into US. He is way too rich. No matter what Trump becomes, he cannot stop from Saudi Prince getting in US. I would also highly doubt a Republican would harm any business of any big enterprises... I am sure he could make much more money in Trump's US compared to Obama's US. My post wasn't meant to be taken literally. I just said that the Prince has a good reason to be concerned because the bad affects his demographic and he has a good reason to visit the US. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaMonster 1,806 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 35 minutes ago, lego said: He won't. That's why I said it wouldn't work. There are white Europeans who converted to islam and never changed their name. Then there are those who do not have obvious muslim name. So he would only ban "middle eastern looking" ones, which is funny for example I know one Syrian with ginger hair and very pale skin. Yeah, but this is Trump; he might expect people to eat Pork with wine to get into US which most of my muslim friends would love to. I can't do even though I am an atheist. Pork makes me feel sick in the stomach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poot 719 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Before you go blaming someone else, first look at all the biogotry happening in ur own damn country. (i agree with that prince's comments, but girl his own country is literally 10x times worse when it comes to social issues than anything donald trump stated) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brizoda 4,198 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 2 trash people arguing like spoiler brats- Who is the worst? both of them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HANZ 4,380 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Doland sis WTF IS CHU DOING? My Favs = Lady Gaga, Janet Jackson, Ricky Martin, AKB48 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThisGuyTony 35,312 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 The 2016 presidential campaign is a big mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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