Caitlyn Jenner: If you look like a man in a dress, it makes people uncomfor

[PartySick 161,502]

29 minutes ago, pink sushi said:

To be honest, she has a POINT. There are lots of people these days who started transitioning when they were very young, and look like they are biologically the gender they transitioned to. Like most people seriously would not be able to tell. So of course things are gonna be easier for those people and for people who can afford tons of plastic surgery to look more like their new gender. 

If nobody can tell that you are transgender, then obviously you aren't gonna be faced with as much ridicule as a person who everyone can tell is clearly transgender. 

True but this is the internet. We must call her a villain for saying something stupid, even though she does have a small point in a weird sort of way.

In the same way that a masculine gay guy would have an easier time in life but you don't just tell a femme guy to "man up and you'll stop being beaten up or called names so much" 

It just comes off as rude imo. Pus, and this is me bringing out my sensitive side (yes, pull out the tissues), I feel like she's saying to bend to people's ideas of what's "ok" in a way. To make your life better, make sure others are comfortable with your appearance? Nah, that's not how any of this should work

[Mobster 14,604]

I'm really trying to understand the purpose behind her statement.... I first just thought she was stating a fact, society gets uncomfortable by seeing "a man" in a dress, which is probably true, but that obviously doesn't mean society has the ultimate saying on what is right and wrong, if that's what she was trying to imply, but I'm not sure yet... But saying "I try to take that seriously" doesn't really help here, she either phrased that extremely poorly or she is actually suggesting that trans women that lack the resources to get her treatment aren't putting enough effort into "playing the role"... I really hope that's not the case, but she has said many things, that have been out of place, so it really doesn't help her cause  It's sad, because she could have been an amazing role model 

[Haroon 49,685]

@PartySick Merged your thread into here  

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On 12/12/2015 at 9:42 AM, Haroon said:

I don't see what's wrong with that statement  She's not saying anything bad about people who look "like a man in a dress", she's just saying that it makes people uncomfortable which unfortunately it does because our society's not yet used to what transgender is and there are many misconceptions. With education and knowledge people will get over their fear of the unknown and won't be uncomfortable anymore.

I agree with this.

I also think that she is still adjusting mentally to her new position. It would be hard enough for anyone to go through both the physical changes as well as examining their own internal feelings, but then you have the whole world watching, asking questions, and examining everything under a microscope. Granted, she did choose to come out to the world, but as a celebrity it would have been difficult for her to hide it, so it was best for her to be open about it from the start. As for her views, there are many things I disagree with but again, she is re-adjusting to her role in life and still discovering herself. A lot of beliefs she once had are no doubt conflicting with her new life. I hope she becomes a bit more savvy with her wording and more forward thinking, and that more people come out and can give different and multiple voices to the transgender community. I also agree though that it has been much easier for her to come out due to her wealth and status, and hopefully she recognizes this. There are many out there that can't afford the nice, expensive surgeries and good PR. But if we can get to a point of mass acceptance, then one day (hopefully soon) this won't be such an issue for them. So again, the more faces we can put out there, the more we can show that a significant number in the community are facing these issues, most of whom are good people, the better society will be. But we have a ways to go. When you have a great many people in this country that still thinks it's more acceptable for an immature, sheltered fourteen year old to marry a thirty year old man because he wants an easy to manipulate, inexperienced virgin to impregnant and play maid-servant, but that two consenting adults of the same gender wanting to solidify their committment to each other and loving bond through marriage (and *gasp* have sex) are perverted, then we still have a long ways to go as a society. A man in a dress is challenging gender roles, which freaks some people out. 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Erm. She has a point.

The discomfort is there. Ignoring it and faking politically correct smiles isn't the way to get over it.

[PartySick 161,502]

2 hours ago, Haroon said:

@PartySick Merged your thread into here  

Thanks

I looked before I posted, I swear  but I didn't see anything

[Bloody 64,631]

When I go out, as Kim says, you've got to rock it because the paparazzi will be there.

taking notes.  

[Haroon 49,685]

6 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Thanks

I looked before I posted, I swear  but I didn't see anything

It's alright, nobody's in trouble or anything  

[Wolf Boy 3,270]

god some of you are drama queens. she isn't "shaming people", she's commenting on the public reaction to an unsuccessful transition, a lot of people are uncomfortable with that, whether you agree with it or not.

no one can have a damn discussion on the media now days without everyone getting offended geez.

[JesseBabe 837]

Like others have stated on here, I think she is still trying to adjust to her new life, but not only that she is from a different time. I think a lot of her views are from that era. I hope she is aware that she is extremely lucky to be in the position she currently is being able to afford all the surgeries, nice designer clothes, and a glam squad that helps her "look the part". I don't know a lot of trans people that can afford such luxuries.

I think she's still trying to figure everything out and it will just take time. I don't agree with everything she says, but I do think her going public helped not only me, but a lot of people understand and learn more about trans people and the real life struggles they go through every day. It sucks that a lot of people are so quick to judge and tear her down for every little thing she does. I think she's just still learning and people should understand that. 

 

[LeoFameMonster 1,592]

I don't think anything will shock me more than her saying shes voting Republican!!!

 

[GawdGa 1,399]

caitlyn ugh

u mess