Stiletto Ninja 29 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 3 minutes ago, Didymus said: If you did you would've seen that 85% of the people who sincerely post in here are concerned about her (health). You intentionally ignoring that, if you claim to have read the entire thread, just shows your agenda here. And yeah, I don't see why I have to respect her decisions when they don't align with my ideals. And when they don't align with the ideals she pretends to proclaim and embody in her career. There is no reason anyone should respect her for injecting her face with botox. I'm not saying she's a worthless c-nt because she did it, but I don't see why I should refrain from commenting on it and condemning that particular move. I don't care if it comes across as insulting, I'm not insulting her and if she decides to read my posts, then that's her own business, this forum is not made for her so I couldn't give a **** about that. If people were genuinely coming from a place of concern then they would be able to put personal opinions aside and look at the facts we have from an impartial perspective instead of launching into a blind hysteria over what we feel is right and wrong. There are definitely some that show genuine concern and of course I acknowledge that. But there have also been quite a few posts coming from a place where the issue seems to stem more from the fact that her ideals no longer align with your own, even though there's no real justification in expecting them to. And whenever someone points out why there's no real need to get up in arms over it, we get accused of not listening or having an "agenda." I read every word, just don't expect me to believe that certain commenters aren't coming from a place of entitlement that some of you try to pass off as concern for the sake of trying to justify being unable to accept a difference in ideals. Because that's their problem, not mine and certainly not Gaga's. 16 minutes ago, doveve said: Well, if it was my significant other, or in other words, the person I love, care about and respect a lot, I would try to convince them to not ruin their body and make sure my significant other feels loved, confident and happy enough so they don't feel the need to inject their face. I cannot understand how could the need of injections come from confidence and happiness. It's clear that Gaga is not as happy as she claims to be. She always says she's happy at the time being, but later she says she was depressed. So, in my opinion, injections is an indication of inner problems. That's why many people here are concerned about Gaga and her well-being. They only want her to be happy and healthy, but we are not her friends and family, we cannot reach her and make sure she feels good. I definitely get the thought process behind it being something coming from a place of insecurity, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were so. But the reality is that its not really our place to tell her or anyone else how to cope with self image issues. She is almost 30 and that's a pretty big life milestone that can also bring about a lot of aging issues, on top of the added pressure that came from starring in her first major TV role. If getting facial injections is what makes her feel better than so be it. The fact that she has posted about it on IG and is actually up front about what she has done is actually relatively encouraging in a sense, because if she were hiding it then that would signify a much worse problem. And injections will wear off with time. Considering she could in theory have gone the permanent facial modification route at any time, the fact that she went with something temporary is actually very telling. So honestly I see no real need for serious concern. I think the best thing we can do for her as fans is to support her music and career and the things we have to be proud of. Fixating on her appearance like this only runs the risk of making her feel worse about it, regardless of intention. 3 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: Well you're beyond comprehension then. If we didn't care we would just cheer on everything she does like mindless robots. She's ruining her face with these procedures. Obviously we aren't gonna make her do anything but it is concerning and we are free to criticize that. That's pretty presumptuous to say considering all the procedures she's had done that we know of have been non-surgical and for the most part temporary. Either way its not my place or anyone else's to dictate what she does to her face. And it doesn't make me a mindless robot to choose to mind my own business in sensitive matters that shouldn't concern me instead of getting myself worked up over assumptions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 1 hour ago, Alien Tulip said: I feel the same way. I love and care about Gaga but I'm not gonna be a sheep and say "she can do what she wants" I'm going to voice my opinion and say she looks bizarre now. Even if she had eyebrows here she would still look unrecognizable. What's sad is that a lot of her fans aren't aware that even though that stuff wears off, it doesn't mean your face will look the same as it did before. Her face will always look different now. Botox and fillers are temporary. The wrinkles will come back. She didn't get anything permanent done to her face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share Posted December 16, 2015 2 minutes ago, Stiletto Ninja said: I read every word, just don't expect me to believe that certain commenters aren't coming from a place of entitlement that some of you try to pass off as concern for the sake of trying to justify being unable to accept a difference in ideals. Because that's their problem, not mine and certainly not Gaga's. Why the **** should we care about you feeling like people shouldn't be commenting though? If it's not your problem, why are you here? Let the people discuss what they want, if you read the OP correctly you'd see that there's no place here for you. So this is me kindly requesting for you to stay away from this thread. You have nothing to gain and we have nothing to gain from your posts either. What are you trying to prove, seriously.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MekeRoger 24 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Are these fillers temporary? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alien Tulip 12,428 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 14 minutes ago, Whispering said: Botox and fillers are temporary. The wrinkles will come back. She didn't get anything permanent done to her face. I know they are temporary but your face doesn't really look the same as it did before aside from the aging factor. Kim Kardashian has said herself she regrets it because now she has to rely on it or else her face will sag. If Gaga continues to do it she will soon have to rely on it. My aunt has stopped getting botox and even though it faded away, she never really looked exactly like she did before. It's easier said than done but she should embrace her face while she's still young. She doesn't even have that much wrinkles. Crows feet is normal to develop in your late 20s especially with stress but it's not as worse as a person's skin when they become an alcoholic. Overall I think she is uniquely beautiful without any of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alien Tulip 12,428 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 4 minutes ago, MekeRoger said: Are these fillers temporary? Yes but her face will still look somewhat different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiletto Ninja 29 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 15 minutes ago, Didymus said: Why the **** should we care about you feeling like people shouldn't be commenting though? If it's not your problem, why are you here? Let the people discuss what they want, if you read the OP correctly you'd see that there's no place here for you. So this is me kindly requesting for you to stay away from this thread. You have nothing to gain and we have nothing to gain from your posts either. What are you trying to prove, seriously.. Just trying to shed some light on why it may be unnecessary and detrimental to get up in arms over this scenario. Especially considering there are quite a few people coming from an actual place of concern who deserve peace of mind and a reason not to worry over something so trivial. I just can't see why the hysterical assumptions and occasional misinformation being thrown about is considered helpful to anyone. 4 minutes ago, MekeRoger said: Are these fillers temporary? They can sometimes leave subtle changes after the fact if done regularly, but for the most part it all wears off after a few months Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumbold 440 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 did someone in this thread actually suggest she got botox injections because her acting role in ahs required her to be emotionless? amazing. just... amazing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 103,573 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 31 minutes ago, Stiletto Ninja said: That's pretty presumptuous to say considering all the procedures she's had done that we know of have been non-surgical and for the most part temporary. Either way its not my place or anyone else's to dictate what she does to her face. And it doesn't make me a mindless robot to choose to mind my own business in sensitive matters that shouldn't concern me instead of getting myself worked up over assumptions. These procedures don't really reverse 100% though. And no one said you were a mindless robot for minding your business. I said it would make us mindless robots if we just cheered everything she did on. If you don't want to discuss it then why are you even posting in this thread? Who are you to say what we can and can't discuss? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 11 minutes ago, Alien Tulip said: I know they are temporary but your face doesn't really look the same as it did before aside from the aging factor. Kim Kardashian has said herself she regrets it because now she has to rely on it or else her face will sag. If Gaga continues to do it she will soon have to rely on it. My aunt has stopped getting botox and even though it faded away, she never really looked exactly like she did before. It's easier said than done but she should embrace her face while she's still young. She doesn't even have that much wrinkles. Crows feet is normal to develop in your late 20s especially with stress but it's not as worse as a person's skin when they become an alcoholic. Overall I think she is uniquely beautiful without any of it. Nah, it goes back. I know tons of people of all age ranges who do these temporary procedures and their face goes back to the way it was before, when the Botox and fillers wear off. Either way, like tattoos, make-up, piercings, spray tans, dental procedures, haircuts of dye jobs....it is all up to the individual person. Everyone makes their own choices as to what they want to do with their bodies to feel good or express themselves in a certain way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiletto Ninja 29 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 8 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: These procedures don't really reverse 100% though. And no one said you were a mindless robot for minding your business. I said it would make us mindless robots if we just cheered everything she did on. If you don't want to discuss it then why are you even posting in this thread? Who are you to say what we can and can't discuss? That's why I said "for the most part temporary." I'm aware it can still have some residual effects after the fact. And I never said we should cheer this type of thing on. But it could be considered disrespectful to jump to so many conclusions and spread misinformation about something that's a personal choice for someone else. Just wanted to state that its really not worth getting so upset over if you take it all at face value (pun not intended) and very few people have provided any sort of counterargument other than saying I don't belong in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy McQueen 4,484 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 8 hours ago, Music said: awesome fans. i know we aren't expected to love everything that Gaga does - including music, performances, fashion etc.. - but it is important to not mistake that with being disrespectful and completely subjective to the point of cruel and hurtful comments. i understand a lot of you believe that Gaga should rethink her decisions on any kind of body modification (and i am one of those people because she is naturally beautiful) but at the end of the day, labelling her a "hypocrite" or "disgusting" is undeniably uncalled for. be the fans Gaga is proud to call her "Little Monsters". THANK YOU! Exactly my thoughts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kattys 4,319 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 let me just leave this here same doctor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustifyMyLove 2,588 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 1 hour ago, Rumbold said: did someone in this thread actually suggest she got botox injections because her acting role in ahs required her to be emotionless? amazing. just... amazing. I think this so.... Either she feels insecure about her lips and her face structure or its just for the AHS theme, + remember when she got a selfie with the epione center doctor saying she was reuniting with him and the master from ahs. I hope it's just for AHS and her face gets normal after for the new era, that pic someone edited of her at that fashion award with photoshop and she looked flawless with that outfit, brown eyebrows and no cheekbones fillers.... That pic struggled me on the first moment I saw it Julia Volkova #1 stan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Church 849 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 4 hours ago, Growlithe said: You're assuming to know the reasoning behind it all, while in reality we know nothing about it . As far as we know, Gaga is in a stable and healthy psychological state right now. If anything, this time in her life is a time where she probably has the least amount of pressure from the outside to alter her looks. If I had to, I would bet she did it as a stylistic choice for AHS. A way to temporarily achieve a certain type of look that is unlike her natural, somewhat more girly facial features. We know that she wants to give AHS her all, and she doesn't want to deliver lukewarm efforts. we should not draw conclusions and claim to know the definitive motivation behind it all, because we simply don't know. 1. So are you 2. Women in a healthy psychological state don't feel the need to completely change their face. 3. She is on the small screen weekly and her new album is coming. That's pressure. It also shows how hypocritical she is talking about how she wants to explode in her 30s and not try to compete with young women...then goes and injects her face in attempt to look young. 4. The fact that she literally cannot make a facial expression pretty much kills your theory. Plus, she wants to be taken as a serious actress. A serious actress doesn't rely on her looks. 5. Then stop trying. kiss kiss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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