Is Gaga's The Countess a Golden Globe Worthy?

[Whispering 18,865]

15 minutes ago, CoCo1 said:

The Golden Globes are notorious for nominating big names to attract ratings and accepting "bribes" (see The Tourist), and while I'm sure the ratings boost was a factor in the nomination it's also not a big or competitive category, and she did have an impressive showcase episode right before the votes went in. 

Incorrect. All you have to do is look at the long list of nominees over the past 72 years. They have consistently nominated excellent, well respected actors and film projects. 

I'm sure you can find a handful of nominations that you personally don't agree with out of the thousands, but that doesn't mean that actual film industry professional agree with you or that they nominated those individuals for the wrong reasons. 

Saying that they nominated Gaga as a ratings boost is pure BS, as there isn't a pattern of this awards ceremony being about that. 

[Jed 7,716]

58 minutes ago, RAMROD said:

 

You take this as bigger deal than it is.

It is just nominations. Nothing warranted she will win that award or that she should win it.

Everyone there have fair chance.

It is just a little something that for Gaga means more than anything.

We saw how she tweeted about it and how joyful she was.

You can feel what you feel but don't overthink about it.

Just let it happen, one less stress in life, you know.

I didn't mean to make it a big deal, as in it was affecting me personally I more just was curious to see if I was the only one who held this opinion (fortunately I'm not). But don't think I'm sitting here seething because she's nominated, im really happy for her and I hope she has a substantial acting career to supplement her music.

[Felicia 124]

2 minutes ago, Whispering said:

 

Saying that they nominated Gaga as a ratings boost is pure BS.

Sadly, you are misguided.

The nomination is totally cynical BS.

It is a cynically-motivated nomination that does nothing except serve the purpose of guaranteeing her appearance on the Red Carpet.

[Whispering 18,865]

5 minutes ago, Jed said:

One could argue because of the lack of big stars nominated that having Gaga there helps make up for some of that. 

One could argue that there are countless numbers of big stars nominated every year from film and television. There is nothing to "make up for". Some of the biggest names in the business are there every year. 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

I would have ambivalently agreed with you, despite enjoying her acting throughout the season and especially in Flicker, had I not just watched the latest episode.

I was blown away by her performance in "She Wants Revenge". Her delivery was on point. I reloaded the monologue three times. I have never reloaded a Gaga scene on AHS until now. It was just THAT good.

Seriously...when she says "... and I'm right on the edge" I had goosebumps.

The thing is, if you focus on someone's acting, you can see them acting. 

I assume most fans here know Gaga pretty well and so we can notice her acting.

So no, I think she deserves credit where it's due. Given her competition, I think she actually has a shot of winning.

[freebit 6,240]

Why are people taking these so seriously like it's a Noble Peace Prize? 

It's a big thing for her to get a nom, but at the end of the day they are just awards handed out and based on opinion by a committee of 80 or so individuals. Being nominated or winning one of these is good for PR and image, but they are just an extra cherry on top, and the work will still speak for itself regardless of whether it gets awarded or not. As I said back when Gaga got snubbed by the Grammys/VMAs before: while I'm pleased whenever she's recognized, awards are not everything. It's fun to discuss these things, but not really worth getting worked up over who "deserves" what. 

Anyway, I think it's cool that she's being recognized for her work now because it's highly unlikely that she'll get an Emmy nom which are more rigid and stodgy in their choices.

[Jed 7,716]

13 minutes ago, Whispering said:

One could argue that there are countless numbers of big stars nominated every year from film and television. There is nothing to "make up for". Some of the biggest names in the business are there every year. 

Yes you're absolutely right. But like Tina fey and Amy joked "the 75th and final golden globe awards."

its not exactly known outside of the industry for its prominence (especially kids our age) but having good hosts like Tina and Amy help with that.

i mean for example look at the nominations for best original song at the golden globes versus the oscars last year. Lana Del Rey Lorde and Sia got nominated for the GGs but the Oscars didn't deem it worthy. Also, NBC itself isn't doing amazing in terms of a network.

im not saying I'm one hundred percent right but I do think these shows sometimes invite the big names popular with young kids to draw them in a bit more.. Not every eighteen year old cares about Meryl Streep and George Clooney as much as they do Lana or Lorde

[Bebe 17,093]

I actually agree that a significant reason Gaga was nominated was entertainment politics and it's nothing new. That isn't to say Gaga is a bad actress, she completely slayed the role of The Countess. I don't really want to say she doesn't deserve the nomination because that's not my place, the problem I have is that it wasn't really a great role to show much diversity or development. 

Even compare this AHS season to a season like Asylum. Jessica Lange's character in that season was incredible. We saw her as a stern, unforgiving nun who was actually guilty and broken after accidently hitting a little girl while driving drunk one night and then saw her slowly descend into madness. She went from strong, to extremely weak and fragile, to being redeemed and becoming this loving motherly figure. We saw her character go through so much and we saw her character really change and grow as a result of what she went through.

For the vast majority of the season The Countess has been this mysterious character that doesn't show many emotions and has a very composed demeanor. She slits the throats of victims with the same emotion she shows walking down the hallways of the Hotel Cortez. Gaga has played the role very well and 'Flicker' was a great episode to show her in a different light, we have also certainly have seen glimmers of her other sides in other episodes (including last episode), but overall her character has been basically the same throughout the entire show. There has been nothing significant plot-wise to move her character forward. She is still the same fashionable, sexy, collected, calculating, murderous vampire we met in episode one. 

The only exceptions have been her plotlines with Valentino. In 'Flicker' we saw her fall in love with her soulmate, we saw her as an insecure but intelligent young actress with great dreams. In 'She Wants Revenge' we saw her heartbreak as she lashed out at Mr. March for keeping him locked away and saw her happy and giddy with Valentino. It's just that these examples don't seem like huge events that have shifted her character in any huge way.

It's not for me to say that she shouldn't have been nominated and I'm very proud and happy for her, she worked hard and she was fantastic in the role even if I wanted more from her character arc (from a plot and writing perspective). I don't think she has much chance in winning though, I think the award will be given to someone with a more multi-faceted role.

I mean Gaga really was fantastic and The Countess is interesting, I just think the writing let her down. The character she played just doesn't really allow her to explore many sides of her acting ability. I'm not sure that it was really nomination worthy, not due to the fault of Gaga but of the writing of this series.

I do think the series has shown that she has ability as an actress and I am excited to see her take on more projects and characters that will be more challenging for her, it was certainly a great first step into the acting world for her. It's just that this particular role didn't give her much room to move in imo.

 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

10 minutes ago, Jed said:

 

i mean for example look at the nominations for best original song at the golden globes versus the oscars last year. Lana Del Rey Lorde and Sia got nominated for the GGs but the Oscars didn't deem it worthy. Also, NBC itself isn't doing amazing in terms of a network.

 

With all due respect to the Oscars, they are as valid as any other award. The only reason Oscars are held in higher esteem is because people expect it to be held in higher esteem. The awards themselves are given with the same highly subjective, sometimes random, and often "hipster" criteria like all awards in media. They are simply more glamorous.

[XoXoJoanneGaga 629]

46 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Incorrect. All you have to do is look at the long list of nominees over the past 72 years. They have consistently nominated excellent, well respected actors and film projects. 

I'm sure you can find a handful of nominations that you personally don't agree with out of the thousands, but that doesn't mean that actual film industry professional agree with you or that they nominated those individuals for the wrong reasons. 

Saying that they nominated Gaga as a ratings boost is pure BS, as there isn't a pattern of this awards ceremony being about that. 

Lol no, the allegations of corruption in the HFPA are quite well known, don't embarrass yourself trying to argue otherwise just out of principle. As for Gaga's nomination like I said it's not a competitive field and she had good timing with her submission episode. There's no way to know if she was nominated just for the ratings boost, I doubt it was the sole reason but it's silly to pretend that her name doesn't have a shiny and new attractiveness to it, especially with the Globes who have a shaky track record and credibility. However she did have a great submission episode like I said so I'm not one of those people saying she doesn't deserve it.

[Haroon 49,685]

Can we please not slam people down for not sharing the same thoughts and opinions? People are allowed to have negative opinions and they're free to voice them as well, as long as people aren't bashing and remain constructive it's okay. There's a big difference between insulting and what the OP has said here, please try to notice this difference and don't come in guns blazing when someone's shared their thoughts in the respectful manner that the OP has 

[Jed 7,716]

4 minutes ago, Haroon said:

Can we please not slam people down for not sharing the same thoughts and opinions? People are allowed to have negative opinions and they're free to voice them as well, as long as people aren't bashing and remain constructive it's okay. There's a big difference between insulting and what the OP has said here, please try to notice this difference and don't come in guns blazing when someone's shares their thoughts in the respectful manner that the OP has 

Thanks Haroon that really means a lot to me. You've always been such a supportive member to me even before you were a mod and I really appreciate that  

[Whispering 18,865]

21 minutes ago, CoCo1 said:

Lol no, the allegations of corruption in the HFPA are quite well known, don't embarrass yourself trying to argue otherwise just out of principle. As for Gaga's nomination like I said it's not a competitive field and she had good timing with her submission episode. There's no way to know if she was nominated just for the ratings boost, I doubt it was the sole reason but it's silly to pretend that her name doesn't have a shiny attractiveness to it, especially with the Globes who have shaky a shaky track record and credibility. However she did have a great submission episode like I said so I'm not one of those people saying she doesn't deserve it.

Eh, there are allegations about every awards show, including The Oscars and The Grammys. That has nothing to do with this nomination, nor does it discount it in any way. 

Not a competitive field? It is competitive as it has always been in the last couple of decades. In fact, this category has become more competitive with more of these limited series cropping up every year due to the changing habits of tv viewing with services such as Netflix. More highly respected film actors are doing these limited series, because it isn't a year round commitment, and they are doing so well due to OnDemand services. 

These awards don't have a shaky track record of a lack of credibility, except with the usual suspects here and at hater sites...but that was to be expected. 

[Yanko 9,860]

dont really care about it that much 

its nice tho we need all the promo we can get  

[Jed 7,716]

Just now, Yanko said:

dont really care about it that much 

its nice tho we need all the promo we can get  

To that comment you're absolutely correct, I always take promo no matter where it comes from. If we are lucky she will present this year too (I bet she will).

I guess my only reservation was people would be put off and say she doesn't deserve it but I guess that would happen anyway.