Will a 2017 release date of LG5 ruin Gaga's career?

[Sakrai 4,759]

Lady Gaga is a household name. People don't just "forget" about brands like Lady Gaga. It doesn't matter if she releases now or in five years, it all comes down to the marketing strategy. I think you could even make a case for 2017 being a better year for a release than 2016.

[Edonis 28,950]

3 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Those are projects that can be done on off weeks or breaks from filming. You do it and it is over. Writing and recording an album and planning the promo, videos, artwork, etc. takes longer than a few days here and there. 

So, no...."we" do not all know that Gaga And Bobby "lie through their teeth". What we do know is that they are taking their time to do things correctly and we know that Gaga has the full support of her manager and team now. 

Where you bored at your faves forum? 

This WOTY award is bringing the crazies out! 

Sis it's always been known that they tend to exaggerate on the plus/negative how much has been done. Furthermore, that phrase I used was basically a joke. Furthermore, you're pretty pressed to be calling people crazies. Let's go there though. The real crazies are the ones who are so deluded and so confused that they can't handle to even HAVE criticism for their fav. You need some growing up, no need to get heated about things. 

[Edonis 28,950]

4 minutes ago, Resquid said:

Lady Gaga is a household name. People don't just "forget" about brands like Lady Gaga. It doesn't matter if she releases now or in five years, it all comes down to the marketing strategy. I think you could even make a case for 2017 being a better year for a release than 2016.

Do explain. This is an interesting point of view. 

[Whispering 18,865]

7 minutes ago, Edonis said:

Sis it's always been known that they tend to exaggerate on the plus/negative how much has been done. Furthermore, that phrase I used was basically a joke. Furthermore, you're pretty pressed to be calling people crazies. Let's go there though. The real crazies are the ones who are so deluded and so confused that they can't handle to even HAVE criticism for their fav. You need some growing up, no need to get heated about things. 

Yeah, right. I'm not falling for it. 

 I'm not the one spending my time trolling some pop girl fanforum on a weekend night. What's wrong, "newbie"? You bored now that your girl is done with her flop era? 

And I'm not your sis. 

[Edonis 28,950]

1 minute ago, Whispering said:

Yeah, right. I'm not falling for it. 

 I'm not the one spending my time trolling some pop girl fanforum on a weekend night. What's wrong, "newbie"? You bored now that your girl is done with her flop era? 

And I'm not your sis. 

Can somebody give her a WP? Like, why are you so bothered? Where am I trolling? You need to take several seats SIS. Get educated and learn to not be delusional. People can have other opinions and still coexist? Like... What is wrong with you? I take it your opinions on this fandom and lady Gaga in general have been put on blast before just based on how you reacted to a silly quote, and so now you're extremely hurt or something? I mean, I see no logic. Everyone's being respectful and then you're over here being bitter and tragic. Wow. So nasty and so rude. I feel sorry for you and for whatever people put up with you. 

[Whispering 18,865]

2 minutes ago, Edonis said:

Can somebody give her a WP? Like, why are you so bothered? Where am I trolling? You need to take several seats SIS. Get educated and learn to not be delusional. People can have other opinions and still coexist? Like... What is wrong with you? I take it your opinions on this fandom and lady Gaga in general have been put on blast before just based on how you reacted to a silly quote, and so now you're extremely hurt or something? I mean, I see no logic. Everyone's being respectful and then you're over here being bitter and tragic. Wow. So nasty and so rude. I feel sorry for you and for whatever people put up with you. 

Mm hmmm, sure, I believe you.  

[giskardsb 12,565]

Gaga is best served putting forth an effort she completely believes in rather than trying to rush release something to try to maintain "relevance".   If she produces music people like, she'll be "relevant" to them, if she doesn't, she won't be.  Doesn't matter if its next year or 3 years from now.  It's most important that she believe in it, so she can be proud of her work even if the notoriously fickle pop audience isn't feeling it.   

Maybe pop stars with little actual talent on their own have to churn  out product every year in order to stay in the public eye because they know their time will be short.  Gaga doesn't have  to play those games, because her talent and ability spans greater than being a pop tart and she will have a career as long as she wants in music, theatre. and film.   Pop fans have such a myopic view of what is considered relevent or having a "career.".   

 

[Sakrai 4,759]

13 minutes ago, Edonis said:

Do explain. This is an interesting point of view. 

Really? Ok I guess, but it's kinda complicated

I’m currently working on a research on the boundaries between person and brand within contemporary digital media. Undoubtedly celebrities are the ultimate case study to understand how actual humans embody brands and our overall behaviour towards people as icons.

I would argue that we tend to replicate rituals with people who are “above us” (media wants us to believe that celebrities are. Fame is a condition to be craved; it makes you inherently superior), and these rituals are consistent and predictable. Gaga has talked about this previously as well, the rise and decay of a superstar. Her performance of Paparazzi (VMA ’09) could be seen as the ultimate commentary on the price of fame.

So, when an artist climbs so high up our stairway to superstardom, the only way to go is down. And we enjoy this spectacle, in this ritualistic behaviour we rise people in order to tear them down in the most dramatic fashion, and then we consume the pride, angst, and rebirth (or final death) that these rituals evoke in what is knows as Catharsis.

TL;DR We create stars to tear them down afterwards

Do you agree with this? Where do you think Gaga stand currently in this circle of life, death and rebirth of the celebrity?

[Edonis 28,950]

2 minutes ago, giskardsb said:

Gaga is best served putting forth an effort she completely believes in rather than trying to rush release something to try to maintain "relevance".   If she produces music people like, she'll be "relevant" to them, if she doesn't, she won't be.  
Doesn't matter if its next year or 3 years from now.   Maybe pop stars with no actual talent on their own have to churn  out product every year in order to stay in the public eye because they know their time will be short.  Gaga doesn't have  to play those games, because her talent and ability spans greater than being a pop tart and she will have a career as long as she wants in music, theatre. and film.   Pop fans have such a myopic view of what is considered relevent or having a "career.".   

 

So I agree with some of this post and disagree. I agree that Gaga's talent sets her apart from many other pop stars. She definitely doesn't have to rely on generic music that's both bland and tragic in order to stay at the top of the game (TF TFM BTW, even AP). But I do think the spectrum on what makes someone relevant is far different. For example, what if we changed our perspective on what makes a legend a legend? Is it just talent or just hit songs. I think it's both. For most cases (most) I think it's both. Artists get to be in that realm of legendary status because they're both crazy talented as well as able to reel out chart hits that aren't low brow or tacky. So in respect to Gaga I think it does matter for longevity's sake. My opinion, again. 

[giskardsb 12,565]

48 minutes ago, monketsharona said:

And to be honest I don't think would have done AHS if she was very very late on LG5. Bobby said that she had not a lot of things to do when she was shooting. And we know Gaga was already working on LG5 in late 2014, so it definitely mean she got a head start to make AHS this year.

there is actually no reason to believe that being an actress is less important or takes a backseat to being a pop star for Gaga.  

[Edonis 28,950]

7 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Mm hmmm, sure, I believe you.  

You have a horrible attitude. Fix it. It's clogging the air up for intelligent conversations. I suppose you're used to that. Good night to you though. Sis. 

[giskardsb 12,565]

51 minutes ago, Edonis said:

We all know though as fans that Gaga and her manager lie through their teeth about stuff they do. I remember in the late summer they said they were doing one thing at a time, but we got the Tom ford video, B&N commercial, etc. 

Saying they focus on one major thing at a time is not the same as saying they do ONLY one thing at a time.  

[Whispering 18,865]

Just now, Edonis said:

You have a horrible attitude. Fix it. It's clogging the air up for intelligent conversations. I suppose you're used to that. Good night to you though. Sis. 

Nah and once again, I'm not your sis. Take that silly slang back with you. 

[Edonis 28,950]

7 minutes ago, Resquid said:

Really? Ok I guess, but it's kinda complicated

I’m currently working on a research on the boundaries between person and brand within contemporary digital media. Undoubtedly celebrities are the ultimate case study to understand how actual humans embody brands and our overall behaviour towards people as icons.

I would argue that we tend to replicate rituals with people who are “above us” (media wants us to believe that celebrities are. Fame is a condition to be craved; it makes you inherently superior), and these rituals are consistent and predictable. Gaga has talked about this previously as well, the rise and decay of a superstar. Her performance of Paparazzi (VMA ’09) could be seen as the ultimate commentary on the price of fame.

So, when an artist climbs so high up our stairway to superstardom, the only way to go is down. And we enjoy this spectacle, in this ritualistic behaviour we rise people in order to tear them down in the most dramatic fashion, and then we consume the pride, angst, and rebirth (or final death) that these rituals evoke in what is knows as Catharsis.

TL;DR We create stars to tear them down afterwards

Do you agree with this? Where do you think Gaga stand currently in this circle of life, death and rebirth of the celebrity?

On the edge, no pun intended.

but that was a very interesting a--lysis and point of view. In terms of today, I don't think Gagas's at all in her worse and on the brink of the decay that we see in so many pop stars. But, I don't necessarily think it's her best either. In the end, we can only wait and see what happens I guess. 

[MelbHawker 6,583]

No.

Given how well she's being received by media and people in general at the moment, I think a 2016 release might be wiser. At the same time, it all just depends on how she feels about the impending album. Once she thinks it's perfect, that's when it will be released.