Bitter 3,640 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 3 minutes ago, HMLSwine said: Please, Bitter, stop... I'm trying to help you out here The truth is in her red flagvatar line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I think while Gaga is better than most celebrities, if she's trying to live up to the name of this Peace keeping, loving, living in harmony-type person then she should make more of an effort to be awake about certain things happening in the world. I don't think it's wrong to criticize Gaga for this, she's made her stance very clear that she wants to be involved in public and international social issues/politics. Unless her tweets are extremely controlled by her label then I can understand. But other than that, it doesn't really take a lot to tweet a couple of words for other tragedies or voice your thoughts as a "spokesperson for love and equality". Gaga x Nicki x Azealia x Ariana x Kesha x Bey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emvee 8,419 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 24 minutes ago, Ronlop said: But isn't that just sad? No... I'm saying it's more likely for her to hear about it because she lives in California and she learns about it from the people around her. This applies to anyone. Not everyone is glued to CNN on a daily basis and even if they were, CNN probably wouldn't be covering terrorist attacks in the Middle East because the region is already in turmoil. If you're going to criticize someone, criticize the media, not a Celebrity and not your cousin Sally for responding to what she sees on her Facebook feed. Gaga has made it clear that her passion is LGBT and bullying issues. You're holding her accountable for not knowing foreign policy and affairs? It's like criticizing Obama for not knowing how many #1 singles Gaga has. Well, he's reached out to Gaga plenty of times. He should know AND in the end when Gaga does comment on foreign affairs, she comes off as hypocritical? Why? How? Give me a break. Lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneybaby 450 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 gaga and i legit have the same views on everything its why i love her. glad she said this. ppl like her speaking up may make a difference. so over these psychos getting famous for murdering people Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 4 minutes ago, PartySick said: Yeah, I definitely get where you're coming from. I guess she has to make it a balancing act between being an artist who voices her opinion and being someone who's delved into the deep end of political issues and there's really no way to do that without pissing someone off for some reason. It's a tough spot to be in because if she doesn't say anything then people will think she doesn't know or doesn't care. If she says one thing but not another then she's just fueling the problem and creating a bigger divide (in this case, supporting France with the picture and talking about an American mass shooting). If she says everything then she's way too politically charged and just needs to stop. I like that she promotes peace mainly. Even if it does come off as selective, as if she's ignoring the problems elsewhere, we all know her intentions are golden and she just wants everyone to be able to live in harmony together. That's the important part imo Yeah. I can agree with this 100%. That's definitely the gentle way of putting what I mean I'm not gunning for her separately, I just think that the role of celebrities in discussions about politics is really problematic exactly for the reasons you mention here: there's a risk of contributing to ignorance about these matters simply because they don't have the time to delve into political issues whatsoever so naturally they don't know what the **** they're talking about. Obviously I'm not stupid enough to think that Gaga never consistently promoted ideas of peace and tolerance and love, but I do agree with you that she should focus on that without aiming to link them to political events, since this almost automatically contradicts everything she's trying to say. So this tweet is actually not that problematic to me, but that ****ing French flag is for reasons I hope I have successfully shown to be important here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 It took her quite long time to say anything about Paris, when people started whining why is she silent. We don't know all the details about mass shooting in California yet, but she already tweeted about it. It's better not to say anything, because it does seem selective. If she's talking about media like Fox news, she is right, but you know very well that their answer will be "those disabled people should all have guns!", and if the shooters are not white christians, their names and faces will be all over the news 24/7. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViviLittleM 3 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 43 minutes ago, Didymus said: Remove that ridiculous French flag then. Reported. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijahfan 26,311 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 28 minutes ago, Didymus said: How does it have that effect when she, just like nearly every other celebrity who tweeted about Paris on Twitter, ignored all the ISIS-related events including the terrible attack in Beirut (which even Obama intentionally ignored) around the same time? That flag is nothing but a symbol of selective outrage and a horrid way of supporting the military actions of a country that is literally painting a target on its chest. I'm fairly sure the only reason why people didn't talk that much about Beirut was because the media barely talked about it. The Paris attacks got a big reaction from Occident because it happened in Occident, and we're not used to it happening there. I mean you're from Belgium, right? I'm not teaching you anything new. The use of the French flag is not so much the symbol of solidarity solely towards the French people : I feel like it represents much more than that. Many people, Gaga included, extended their solidarity to the world. Anyway, I'm not sure how I feel about your last sentence. I'm fairly sure this wasn't your intention, but it feels like you're saying we French people deserved what happened to us. Go say that to the 130 victims who were just hanging out in the streets and enjoying a concert. That's a really insensitive thing to say, and I wish some of you guys would just think 2 seconds before posting this kind of bs. I'm all for freedom of speech, and people can express their idiocy on online forums all they want if that makes them happy, but it's barely been 2 weeks, can't you have a little respect and decency and at least wait a little longer before putting words in people's mouths? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Empty 25,237 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 1 minute ago, Didymus said: But she's not. She's painting the media as distorters and implying that proper reporting is even related to future criminality Which is incredibly ironic since like the Paris incident showed, the media did report about all ISIS-related incidents, globally, but it were the readers who ignored all of it. If anything, journalists should be praised to death for reporting on issues that only 1% of Western populations will read just because it doesn't come close to home enough for others. This tweet of hers inspires nothing but a continuation of political bliss disguised as empathy. Now you're making skewed comparisons though. Not all ISIS-related incidents have gotten the amount of coverage that the Paris attacks got (or at least, not in my country). A ton of the incedents probably get a short minute-long item (at most) on a news show or a relatively small article in a newspaper, while the Paris incident got live coverage, headlines and tons of online traffic even while they were still happening - not to mention the coverage that came after it. That's all in the hands of the media, and I don't have a doubt in my mind that getting ratings is one of(!) the main contributing reasons. The media is definitely not the only "ignorant" party here though. You're right in saying that a lot of people simply don't show as much of an interest in other similar issues - regardless of media coverage. People are naturally incredibly selective, as I've already adressed in my previous post. But you have to understand that the things that people are interested in and the things that the media is discussing is incredibly interwoven. The media has a huge power in creating a demand for a certain type of information like, for example, wanting to put a name on the attackers and discussing it multiple times, thus creating curiosity and steering public debate. Creating notoriety. At the same time, the media also picks up on what people are talking about and see how they can turn it into a mass topic of discussion. It goes back and forth like that, with tons of factors contributing to what people do and don't consider interesting. But it can't be denied that the media has a huuuuuuge say in what is and isn't part of public debate, and Gaga is right for adressing them (the people in media with power) for being responsible about which parts of society they want to put a magnifying glass on right now. Happiness will never last, darkness comes to kick your ass... ᵃˢˢ 🕺 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobster 14,604 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 4 minutes ago, lego said: It took her quite long time to say anything about Paris, when people started whining why is she silent. We don't know all the details about mass shooting in California yet, but she already tweeted about it. It's better not to say anything, because it does seem selective. If she's talking about media like Fox news, she is right, but you know very well that their answer will be "those disabled people should all have guns!", and if the shooters are not white christians, their names and faces will be all over the news 24/7. The sad part is she's probably trying to satisfy a twitter audience, that's so caught up in the hashtags and will complain about her not tweeting about this, yet will ignore anything that's not a trending topic... It's sad how social media has come to this... But I'm only a man and I do what I can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 4 minutes ago, lego said: It took her quite long time to say anything about Paris, when people started whining why is she silent. We don't know all the details about mass shooting in California yet, but she already tweeted about it. It's better not to say anything, because it does seem selective. If she's talking about media like Fox news, she is right, but you know very well that their answer will be "those disabled people should all have guns!", and if the shooters are not white christians, their names and faces will be all over the news 24/7. If the shooters are white Christians, their names and faces will be all over the news. It isnt just Fox News that gives attention to these shooters. All media outlets do the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobster 14,604 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 1 minute ago, Whispering said: If the shooters are white Christians, their names and faces will be all over the news. It isnt just Fox News that gives attention to these shooters. All media outlets do the same. Thus "rewarding these killers with notoriety" But I'm only a man and I do what I can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truerom4nc 148 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 For all who criticize those who put a flag of France in the photos, I want to tell that maybe for her France is more important or just important. We all know that deaths occur every day but we will not be doing homage to all, or everybody, or everything. Think that it can be a familiar, a friend, a person that you love who has died and then obviously you do a tribute in some way. Sorry if my english is bad She is free to say and do what she want Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Just now, HMLSwine said: Thus "rewarding these killers with notoriety" Exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jomonster12 239 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I'm with Gaga Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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