Ronlop 6,882 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Just now, Rising said: Not to mention Gaga lives in California, so it does in fact sting a little harder and louder when it's closer to home. But isn't that just sad? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 8 minutes ago, Didymus said: How does it have that effect when she, just like nearly every other celebrity who tweeted about Paris on Twitter, ignored all the ISIS-related events including the terrible attack in Beirut (which even Obama intentionally ignored) around the same time? That flag is nothing but a symbol of selective outrage and a horrid way of supporting the military actions of a country that is literally painting a target on its chest. Gaga and Obama are both American. France is by far the oldest and one of the largest allies of the U.S. That is why they speak out against attacks in Paris because to us it feels like an attack on our own country. That's probably what it comes down to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monketsharona 81,971 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 2 minutes ago, Clip said: Honestly, I would prefer if she didn't tweet about anything related to politics Actually I agree at least it would prevent any useless meltdown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopThatArt 2,193 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 19 minutes ago, Didymus said: Remove that ridiculous French flag then. Guns guns guns. When will people learn. Go see A Star is Born Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 160,875 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 6 minutes ago, Didymus said: I have no problem with that, but I will roll my eyes when she dares to make a holier-than-thou statement about using power to promote/inspire peace and harmony when she engages in the common selective outrage that is actually exactly countering her own statement. Obviously I'm not expecting anyone to stop being hypocritical, since that's just human nature. But I can't stand when people make an ideal of themselves that they can't/won't solidify in their own actions. 6 minutes ago, Clip said: And everyone was complaining when she hadn't tweeted anything about France "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" fits perfectly here. I'd rather her take a peaceful and outspoken stance to reinforce a message of love than sit quietly and watch the world burn around her. You're stinky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Just now, Rising said: That's the media's fault. It IS their job to talk about ISIS activities and hold public officials accountable for their bad decisions. Celebrities are not. They and the millions of people who have the French flag in solidarity were only responding to what the media and their social networks blow up on their feed. Not to mention Gaga lives in California, so it does in fact sting a little harder and louder when it's closer to home. That's a typical argument that makes no sense. International media DID report about Beirut and Pakistan and Nigeria and they report frequently about all related issues, it's the people who don't care, including celebrities who make it even worse by promoting this selectivity to their own followers, seemingly under the guise of solidarity and "harmony". I live in Belgium, a country next to France, and even I could see through the despicable international reaction to Paris, which politicians abused to promote military attacks (that initiated the Paris terror in the first place) even more. It didn't take more than a sincere will to be informed to be able to do the same. I'm not demanding everyone gets informed, and I didn't make a statement about celebrities tweeting about it when it happened, but I don't need someone like Lady Gaga (and I'm not just targeting her) to hold up an ideal of using your influence to promote harmony and peace, specifically related to supposedly global (that's what cracks me up in this tweet) political issues when she clearly doesn't embody it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 4 minutes ago, MJHolland said: Gaga and Obama are both American. France is by far the oldest and one of the largest allies of the U.S. That is why they speak out against attacks in Paris because to us it feels like an attack on our own country. That's probably what it comes down to. That's ridiculous. I live next to France for god's sakes. That is not a natural stance to take. And I'm not just talking about this, she's also one of the celebrities that chooses to refrain from making statements about other important political issues, including the Israel/Palestine conflict which was in full rage when she performed there, while other performers cancelled their shows to show support of the message she's pretending to promote now. It's that kind of selectivity that I can't help but be annoyed by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 4 minutes ago, PartySick said: "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" fits perfectly here. I'd rather her take a peaceful and outspoken stance to reinforce a message of love than sit quietly and watch the world burn around her. Agreed. But you can do that without making some bogus statements about using your power to spread harmony and peace. That's all I'd want for her not to do, just like I don't want any other idiot on Facebook or Twitter or wherever to pretend they're doing some noble thing when they're ignoring 99% of global political crises but are "praying for Paris" (even though they're atheists) just because they can't afford to not say something about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Empty 25,241 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 13 minutes ago, Ronlop said: But isn't that just sad? It isn't - it's only natural. Of course news that is within your own proximity moves you more. It isn't possible to care about every issue all around the world. We (consiously and subconsiously) make a selection based upon what's relevant to us, because that's where the emotions hit us the hardest. Paris was one of the first attacks that happened within our westernized culture. This shooting is another - and even closer to Gaga in this case. It's not just about distance, it's also simply the fact that it's closer on a cultural and psychological level, which isn't easily changed. I don't claim to know a lot about these issues, but that doesn't mean that I don't feel strongly about them or that I don't want to share thoughts on it. So, also in relation to what @Didymus said, I think it's great that Gaga is using her voice to spread positivity and hope. Is it the MOST diplomatic and/or informed phrasing? Probably not, but I wouldn't know. But at least she's obviously trying to help, and using her voice to spread something good. That in itself is worth something and shouldn't be discouraged. Happiness will never last, darkness comes to kick your ass... ᵃˢˢ 🕺 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter 3,640 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 30 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: "Harmony" is definitely the title of the LG5 lead single. "Harmony not ratings" will be the new "music not the bling". Queen of hints Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobster 14,604 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Just now, Bitter said: "Harmony" is definitely the title of the LG5 lead single. "Harmony not ratings" will be the new "music not the bling". Queen of hints too soon...... But I'm only a man and I do what I can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 3 minutes ago, Totodile said: I don't claim to know a lot about these issues, but that doesn't mean that I don't feel strongly about them or that I don't want to share thoughts on it. So, also in relation to what @Didymus said, I think it's great that Gaga is using her voice to spread positivity and hope. Is it the MOST diplomatic and/or informed phrasing? Probably not, but I wouldn't know. But at least she's obviously trying to help, and using her voice to spread something good. That in itself is worth something and shouldn't be discouraged. But she's not. She's painting the media as distorters and implying that proper reporting is even related to future criminality Which is incredibly ironic since like the Paris incident showed, the media did report about all ISIS-related incidents, globally, but it were the readers who ignored all of it and yes, 99% of all celebrities on Twitter ignored everything but Paris, contributing massively to the ignorance about the global political context, which politicians like Obama and Hollande, in turn, will use to promote contradictory and dangerous proposals such as increased military intervention. If anything, journalists should be praised to death for reporting on issues that only 1% of Western populations will read just because it doesn't come close to home enough for others. This tweet of hers inspires nothing but a continuation of political bliss disguised as empathy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter 3,640 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Just now, HMLSwine said: too soon...... "Notoriety" also confirmed as the album title. Omg, i'm so effin hyped right now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobster 14,604 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Just now, Bitter said: "Notoriety" also confirmed as the album title. Omg, i'm so effin hyped right now Please, Bitter, stop... I'm trying to help you out here But I'm only a man and I do what I can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 160,875 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Just now, Didymus said: Agreed. But you can do that without making some bogus statements about using your power to spread harmony and peace. That's all I'd want for her not to do, just like I don't want any other idiot on Facebook or Twitter or wherever to pretend they're doing some noble thing when they're ignoring 99% of global political crises but are "praying for Paris" (even though they're atheists) just because they can't afford to not say something about it. Yeah, I definitely get where you're coming from. I guess she has to make it a balancing act between being an artist who voices her opinion and being someone who's delved into the deep end of political issues and there's really no way to do that without pissing someone off for some reason. It's a tough spot to be in because if she doesn't say anything then people will think she doesn't know or doesn't care. If she says one thing but not another then she's just fueling the problem and creating a bigger divide (in this case, supporting France with the picture and talking about an American mass shooting). If she says everything then she's way too politically charged and just needs to stop. I like that she promotes peace mainly. Even if it does come off as selective, as if she's ignoring the problems elsewhere, we all know her intentions are golden and she just wants everyone to be able to live in harmony together. That's the important part imo You're stinky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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