ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 6 minutes ago, MissRebelDolly said: I believe you are either male or female. All the non-genders are just pretentious. Gender is a spectrum, not a binary. One merely has to look at the many people who exist as neither male nor female or both to see that. If you dont accept self identification for some reason ( ) than inters-x is a thing and many inters-x trans people see themselves as neither male nor female or somewhere in the middle -- s-x is assigned at birth based on genitalia, and the procedure for determining s-x with ambiguous genitalia is really quite arbitrary - its sometimes literally a "it looks big enough to be a penis, so I guess hes male? I'd raise him as male and just deal with it later " Many societies have also historically recognized a third gender, or no gender :emma: (or more than three for that matter) 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better Day 5,766 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 1 minute ago, venusian said: you really dont have the right to tell people who dont fit in with male or female if they are valid or not. multiple studies have shown that they are real and valid. from non-binary to genderqueer. It's just pretenious people saying pretenious words. Together You And I! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manul 7,377 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 1 minute ago, Didymus said: It is ironic indeed but I read a lot about the subject and the sad truth actually is that, although the Qur'an absolutely rejects homos-xual practice, homos-xual activity was mindblowingly widespread in the Islamic world for centuries. Tons of studies have been done about it but somehow they haven't reached mainstream consciousness, which is a pity. Scholars conclude that it's actually increasing contact with Western society, including homophobia - an idea that is a Western invention, since the Islamic world systematically ignored homos-xual activity instead of talk about it at all - that shaped the current anti-homos-xuality stance in the Islamic world today. Very interesting stuff. The book is called "The Origins and Role of Same-Sex Relations in Human Societies" by James Neill. If you're interested I can give you a PDF of it I recommend it to everyone. There's so much cold tea throughout history that proves that ambis-xuality and homos-xuality were so widespread back then, before the Western society (religion, I think) decided it was wrong and people started adopting that mentality. Please do. it wasn't laaaahv Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
venusian 4,686 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 1 minute ago, MissRebelDolly said: It's just pretenious people saying pretenious words. like i said thats not your right nor place to say whether it is or not. especially when science proves your argument wrong. WELCOME TO THE TRAGIC KINGDOM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 3 minutes ago, MissRebelDolly said: It's just pretenious people saying pretenious words. The good thing about facts is that they are still true whether or not you believe in them 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 1 minute ago, MissRebelDolly said: It's just pretenious people saying pretenious words. Even though you clearly have a basic mastery of English vocabulary, no one is sounding more pretentious than you rn. Jesus Christ, get a grip and educate yourself a bit. 1 minute ago, ****Eliza said: There's so much cold tea throughout history that proves that ambis-xuality and homos-xuality were so widespread back then, before the Western society (religion, I think) decided it was wrong and people started adopting that mentality. Please do. There really is And it's kind of.. interesting how Western society still carries on these ideas, while it thinks we've already evolved past religious nonsensical bs. The book is very adamant in saying that exclusive heteros-xuality (or homos-xuality) is basically as unnatural as some Christians still think homos-xuality is. That's a wild statement and I don't think the majority of (heteros-xual or homos-xual) people would welcome it, even though there's long been scientific proof. And I will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better Day 5,766 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 5 minutes ago, venusian said: like i said thats not your right nor place to say whether it is or not. especially when science proves your argument wrong. 4 minutes ago, ItsVenusBitch said: The good thing about facts is that they are still true whether or not you believe in them 3 minutes ago, Didymus said: Even though you clearly have a basic mastery of English vocabulary, no one is sounding more pretentious than you rn. Jesus Christ, get a grip and educate yourself a bit. There really is And it's kind of.. interesting how Western society still carries on these ideas, while it thinks we've already evolved past religious nonsensical bs. The book is very adamant in saying that exclusive heteros-xuality (or homos-xuality) is basically as unnatural as some Christians still think homos-xuality is. That's a wild statement and I don't think the majority of (heteros-xual or homos-xual) people would welcome it, even though there's long been scientific proof. And I will I am a believer in science but it must be something wrong with your hormones. TBH, your s-x is your s-x no matter what you say. It was how you were created. Together You And I! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 2 minutes ago, MissRebelDolly said: I am a believer in science but it must be something wrong with your hormones. TBH, your s-x is your s-x no matter what you say. It was how you were created. You believe in science and yet you value human constructs more than scientific research, designed to transcend human subjective bias. Someone should make a case study of people like you. Truly the disease of Western nations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 2 minutes ago, MissRebelDolly said: I am a believer in science but it must be something wrong with your hormones. TBH, your s-x is your s-x no matter what you say. It was how you were created. Well, s-x =/= gender so there's that. 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikvs 2,576 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 AFAIK gender has always been a social construct, but s-x isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
venusian 4,686 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 20 minutes ago, MissRebelDolly said: I am a believer in science but it must be something wrong with your hormones. TBH, your s-x is your s-x no matter what you say. It was how you were created. you obviously arent bc science has proved you wrong MANY times. keep your transphobic bulls--t to yourself. WELCOME TO THE TRAGIC KINGDOM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sizzily 14,574 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 It doesn't really affect me, I like being male. And I hope everyone else is able to like being whatever they are. There is a lot of the brain that we don't understand. Like my Anatomy textbook says that the epithalamus may play a role in puberty. Inside my head I have the best time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic 20,830 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 This isn't going to convince anti-trans people, but non-binary or alternative gendered folk will be delighted to hear this. I've always been and always will be female, so whatevs. If I wasn't sure of my own gender I might need a study or the validation of a GGD user to figure it out, but thankfully I need neither to be sufficiently confident in myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 2 hours ago, Didymus said: All words are made up, though. The point of this research is to determine if brain functioning is influenced by gender differences (indeed because of hormones and chemical processes and what not) or not. If not, and this is what the study shows, then the social constructs of gender are still 100% made up even if there is a difference in the body that doesn't determine anything else but those hormones and chemical processes. The conclusion is: people, in theory, don't need to attach anything else to physical differences between men and women. In fact, you could go to the extreme and say that concepts like "man" and "woman" aren't even necessary. But even if you don't take it there, it's still important. A simple, deluded example: women are more emotional than men. Unfounded idea, yet it influences the daily life of people and even job opportunities for women to this day. Our society supports unfounded gender theories 100%. That's why this study matters. I don't know about that... like the article said, it can help to still look at genders (or the perception of) and how they can play a role in brains, with the examples of autism being 5 times more common among males and depression being 2 times more common among females. I'd like to have the PDF, by the way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 9 minutes ago, Luc said: I don't know about that... like the article said, it can help to still look at genders (or the perception of) and how they can play a role in brains, with the examples of autism being 5 times more common among males and depression being 2 times more common among females. I'd like to have the PDF, by the way That's true, I see that now. But I'm sure we both agree that there's a cosmos of difference between separating s-xes based on physiological phenomena and creating social concepts of how a man and woman should be, based on some fictitious illusions. It's all so interesting. I wish I could look into the future and see how different (or the same, yawn) these things are all gonna be in like a thousand years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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