ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 5 minutes ago, Qualle1 said: I have no problem with Muslim wearing their niqab or burka at home, but I personally find it offensive to wear it in the public. I want to see the face of another person, when I walk on the street. I would fully support a full face veil ban in Germany, like in Spain, Belgium, The Netherlands, France and also parts of Switzerland. I think the question here is how does this affect you at all? Why is this "offensive" and not just an example of a woman expressing her culture? It does no harm and you simply "wanting" to see someone's face when you walk by them on the street should not (imo) trump that person's right to wear whatever they want or infringe on their right to self expression. Please elaborate why you think this is wrong or harmful in any way? I'm seriously curious 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkchylde 14,857 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 28 minutes ago, Gaga of Time said: I get where you come from, you're fighting for the right to wear whatever we want right? WHY WOMEN ARE ALLOWED TO SHOW THEIR SKIN BUT NOT HIDE IT???? Well, as Gaga said "It's not a statement as much as just a move of fashion". Women wearing short shorts/dresses is acceptable because they either do it for fashion, for celebrating their equality and freedom or just because they like that damn dress. If women were forced (by culture, by religion, by siblings or elders) to only wear short shorts, that would be slavery and morally wrong, you're not giving women the right to wear something, you're inciting them to do so to appease some ideology. You would have to say the same thing about men, dressing as Bin Laden and having a heavy bushy beard should be morally acceptable to you? And we'd have to fight for equality for them too? Don't blindly fight for things, read about them first : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niqāb Oh, thank you, yes, I'm sure a wikipedia article will widen my knowledge about muslim women who wear niqab and their struggle in our current society. They're not enslaved. It's their choice. Of course, some women are forced to wear it. Some woman are forced into many things but we're not talking about that. You quoting Aura makes no sense. That line in Aura is not about women wearing a burqa, is about GAGA wearing a burqa, about how she made a fashion move out of it and therefore appropiated muslim culture. 2 minutes ago, Qualle1 said: I have no problem with Muslim wearing their niqab or burka at home, but I personally find it offensive to wear it in the public. I want to see the face of another person, when I walk on the street. I would fully support a full face veil ban in Germany, like in Spain, Belgium, The Netherlands, France and also parts of Switzerland. Explain to me why do you need to wear the face of someone when you're walking down the street. They don't feel comfortable about it YET you obly them to. 3 minutes ago, Gaga of Time said: I had to report you, you're not making constructive posts on the topic, you're just attacking. And saying that niqab/bin laden robe and heavy beards have nothing to do with Islam is my freedom as an ex-muslim myself, do you even know the subject you're talking about? Anyway! No need to talking to angry aggressive people. You're not understanding. You have the right not to like these things but your reaction to them and the way you speak of them is not respectful towards the people who believe in it as their religion. I honestly don't mind if you report me. This conversation ends here, since you feel that I'm attacking you. I'm trying to disscuss a topic here and you're making it impossible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dramatica 13,698 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 2 minutes ago, VenusOddity said: I honestly don't mind if you report me. This conversation ends here, since you feel that I'm attacking you. I'm trying to disscuss a topic here and you're making it impossible. No don't turn tables honey, you made it impossible. And yes it would better end here. I didn't ask for a free ride, I only asked you to show me a real good time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiltedbliss 915 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 35 minutes ago, Gaga of Time said: I get where you come from, you're fighting for the right to wear whatever we want right? WHY WOMEN ARE ALLOWED TO SHOW THEIR SKIN BUT NOT HIDE IT???? Well, as Gaga said "It's not a statement as much as just a move of fashion". Women wearing short shorts/dresses is acceptable because they either do it for fashion, for celebrating their equality and freedom or just because they like that damn dress. If women were forced (by culture, by religion, by siblings or elders) to only wear short shorts, that would be slavery and morally wrong, you're not giving women the right to wear something, you're inciting them to do so to appease some ideology. You would have to say the same thing about men, dressing as Bin Laden and having a heavy bushy beard should be morally acceptable to you? And we'd have to fight for equality for them too? Don't blindly fight for things, read about them first : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niqāb Move of PASSION* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkchylde 14,857 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I assume I should then be offended by Catholic procesiones in Spain since -SURPRISE, THEY ALL COVER THEIR FACES AND NO ONE MINDS IT- their interrupting my way. I should obligue them all to stop practicing their religion and submit to my egocentric desires. They also inflict themselves pain by walking barefoot and hitting themselves and it makes me uncomfortable so I think they should be charged as criminals for doing so. Makes no sense, right? Just like all those comments about what should or should not muslim women wear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dramatica 13,698 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 1 minute ago, Gaga is Mine said: Move of PASSION* she wear burqa for fashion I didn't ask for a free ride, I only asked you to show me a real good time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted November 21, 2015 Author Share Posted November 21, 2015 10 minutes ago, Qualle1 said: I have no problem with Muslim wearing their niqab or burka at home, but I personally find it offensive to wear it in the public. I want to see the face of another person, when I walk on the street. I would fully support a full face veil ban in Germany, like in Spain, Belgium, The Netherlands, France and also parts of Switzerland. Hijabs are okay for me, because you can actually see and recognise a face. I can see that the one on your picture is smiling, from her eyes. She has hennah on her hands. She's chatting with friends. What more do we need to know? FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qualle1 1,385 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 2 hours ago, AlexanderLevi2 said: Just goes to show how ignorant and uneducated some people are @AlexanderLevi2 ***EDIT*** SORRY! Of course I agree with you. The woman in Canada should not have gotten attacked because she was just wearing a scarf... I somehow messed up my post. I thought you were "Fays1". I am sorry... MAKE LOVE NOT WAR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tove Lo 2,481 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 10 minutes ago, Qualle1 said: I have no problem with Muslim wearing their niqab or burka at home, but I personally find it offensive to wear it in the public. I want to see the face of another person, when I walk on the street. I would fully support a full face veil ban in Germany, like in Spain, Belgium, The Netherlands, France and also parts of Switzerland. Hijabs are okay for me, because you can actually see and recognise a face. Key words : I and Want You don't need to see their face. There is no reason at all that you need to see their face. You just don't agree with their choice so you just want what you want. Stop acting like a child because you feel like you deserve what you want just because you don't agree with someone who made a choice that really shouldn't affect you. hop on that **** like a maniac Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qualle1 1,385 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 59 minutes ago, MonsterForLife said: And that's why they should get arrested? They can wear whatever they want. No. Not, if this is against the law in the country you are living in or visiting. And rightly so... MAKE LOVE NOT WAR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted November 21, 2015 Author Share Posted November 21, 2015 4 minutes ago, Qualle1 said: Yes, because to wear a niqab and burka in public is forbidden in Belgium since April 2010. How ignorant and uneducated of HER. How ignorant and uneducated of YOU. He was commenting on the OP, did you even read it? The non-muslim woman was attacked, because she put scarf on her head to keep herself warm. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tove Lo 2,481 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 1 minute ago, Qualle1 said: No. Not, if this is against the law in the country you are living in or visiting. And rightly so... Law =/= Justifiable Arrest Not all laws are good. hop on that **** like a maniac Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexanderLevi2 5,849 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 16 minutes ago, Qualle1 said: Yes, because to wear a niqab and burka in public is forbidden in Belgium since April 2010. How ignorant and uneducated of HER. How ignorant and uneducated of YOU. Does that give the right of that man to basically attack her for it? No. Currently listening to Joanne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexanderLevi2 5,849 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 19 minutes ago, Qualle1 said: Yes, because to wear a niqab and burka in public is forbidden in Belgium since April 2010. How ignorant and uneducated of HER. How ignorant and uneducated of YOU. Gay marriage was forbidden in American up until this year. That did not give the right for someone to attack them. Also, she wasn't wearing cultural attire which means she wasn't breaking the law. So your argument is invalid ? Currently listening to Joanne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qualle1 1,385 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 22 minutes ago, lego said: He was commenting on the OP, did you even read it? The non-muslim woman was attacked, because she put scarf on her head to keep herself warm. I already edited my post, because something went wrong while quoting him and another member. MAKE LOVE NOT WAR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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