DrewStevens 5,249 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 1 minute ago, Fays1 said: Im not talking about history, im talking about modern days.. people are killing for political reasons and not race or beliefs. Im not a secret service agent because the existence of governments itself is immoral and I dont want to belong to any of them.. when I say I know everything I mean I know everything with the information that is available witch means im educated on everything Then you don't know everything. Being educated and knowing everything are two different things, also being "educated on everything" is relative since you can't know everything. History includes modern days. History is written everyday. People are still killing for race and beliefs, what are you even talking about? You obviously are not "educated on everything" or just not expressing yourself correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 2 minutes ago, DrewStevens said: Then you don't know everything. Being educated and knowing everything are two different things, also being "educated on everything" is relative since you can't know everything. History includes modern days. History is written everyday. People are still killing for race and beliefs, what are you even talking about? You obviously are not "educated on everything" or just not expressing yourself correctly. You do know that im just trying to annoy you by telling you I know everything.. you should get it by now you still did not give me an example of people killing each other for race or beliefs! people kill each other when the live in a unhealthy environment or faced traumatic experiences and considering the world is becoming a much safer place, people are changing to the better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Just now, Fays1 said: You do know that im just trying to annoy you by telling you I know everything.. you should get it by now you still did not give me an example of people killing each other for race or beliefs! A few years ago a Yazid girl was stoned to death in Iraq for dating a Muslim. That's one example from many. I didn't need to give you an example. If you don't know of any recent death because of racism or because of religion then you shouldn't even be discussing about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 10 minutes ago, DrewStevens said: A few years ago a Yazid girl was stoned to death in Iraq for dating a Muslim. That's one example from many. I didn't need to give you an example. If you don't know of any recent death because of racism or because of religion then you shouldn't even be discussing about it. Your just uncomfortable to tell me that ISIS is killing because of islam.. these terrorists dont kill because of islam if you listen to what they say! they kill because they are being killed and dont want the western to control and force their ideology and system on them. There is not even one terrorist that says I want to kill Americans because they are not muslims even their leaders like Osama binladin doesnt say that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,938 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 1 hour ago, Fays1 said: The public was outraged about the torture yet you still have camps that continue to do this.. yes Kennedy shut them down because he was good but im sure the rest of the presidents have not shut that down.. America is a barbaric coutry like all other countries in the world if not worse. You're literally just trying to throw mud at anyone and everything. Go sit down somewhere. This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 7 hours ago, FATCAT said: You're literally just trying to throw mud at anyone and everything. Go sit down somewhere. Thats not an argument.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres Miller 206 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 10 hours ago, Fays1 said: You arent barbarians? are you sure? do you think wearing a suit and tie makes you civilized? The US government even tried to convince Kennedy to kill Americans in the Operation Northwoods as a fake terror attack to create a new war. You put people in prisons without a trial and torture them outside the US boarders so it can be illegal. Your people join illegal wars and kill children and civilians in order to put their kids to school! Saying "your people" as if we're on opposing teams exposes your true opinions about America. You seem to have some resentment towards our country because of your bitterness. Don't think for a second that America is the only country with faults. No country is fault free and this is the wrong place to be talking as though you are some sort of omniscient, all-seeing being. Discussions are meant to be constructive, but its no fun when neither party entertains the counter-argument. Bounce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres Miller 206 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 @Fays1 I just checked your profile. It says you're from the Middle East so I understand why you might feel aggression. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 7 minutes ago, Andres Miller said: Saying "your people" as if we're on opposing teams exposes your true opinions about America. You seem to have some resentment towards our country because of your bitterness. Don't think for a second that America is the only country with faults. No country is fault free and this is the wrong place to be talking as though you are some sort of omniscient, all-seeing being. Discussions are meant to be constructive, but its no fun when neither party entertains the counter-argument. Bounce. My true opinion about America is exposed to everyone I never tried to hide it.. ofcourse im talking about the American government and the people who support and join it to do its crimes. This goes out to all governments and people who support it because there is no moral government that exist in the world. I am a libertarian anarchist that do not believe in being a patriot or in a country so your opinion of me is wrong. I have resentment against all governments but we were talking about the US in this situation and my resentment does not come out of bitterness for no reason as you said. Me being from the Middle East has nothing to do with my opinion.. what I said is the truth and you cant say anything to challenge my argument! all you can say is attempt and try to accuse me of being bitter, middle eastern or whatever you say in your comments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 8 hours ago, Fays1 said: Your just uncomfortable to tell me that ISIS is killing because of islam.. these terrorists dont kill because of islam if you listen to what they say! they kill because they are being killed and dont want the western to control and force their ideology and system on them. There is not even one terrorist that says I want to kill Americans because they are not muslims even their leaders like Osama binladin doesnt say that. Just stop. The only thing you are doing is showing how ignorant and biased you are. They kill because they are scum. How can you justify their actions when they are murdering innocent people, including children, even Muslims. ISIS has threatened Jews with another Holocaust, they even said that Muslims who have become infidels where their main target in 2014. How is that not hate based on religious beliefs? They have been threatening infidels for a long time. Osama hated everyone who didn't share his ideology. He even said "Every Muslim, from the moment they realize the distinction in their hearts, hates American, hates Jews, and hates Israelis. This is a part of our belief and our religion". I'm done with your ignorant and biased posts. It's embarrassing how someone can be so blinded by hate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres Miller 206 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 1 minute ago, Fays1 said: My true opinion about America is exposed to everyone I never tried to hide it.. ofcourse im talking about the American government and the people who support and join it to do its crimes. This goes out to all governments and people who support it because there is no moral government that exist in the world. I am a libertarian anarchist that do not believe in being a patriot or in a country so your opinion of me is wrong. I have resentment against all governments but we were talking about the US in this situation and my resentment does not come out of bitterness for no reason as you said. Me being from the Middle East has nothing to do with my opinion.. what I said is the truth and you cant say anything to challenge my argument! all you can say is attempt and try to accuse me of being bitter, middle eastern or whatever you say in your comments. Damn dude. I respect your beliefs** (opinions, not necessarily truths) but take things with a grain of salt and don't expect everyone to align with them. If you don't, then you'll never have your beliefs heard and ultimately shared. Don't pop a blood vessel. I never "accused" you of being Middle Eastern as if its something to be argued in a negative way. I simply noticed you were from the Middle East and, maybe inappropriately, assumed that you may have received some backlash from ignorant people who may have falsely and wrongly accused the Middle East with some sort of umbrella usage of the word terrorist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 11 minutes ago, DrewStevens said: Just stop. The only thing you are doing is showing how ignorant and biased you are. They kill because they are scum. How can you justify their actions when they are murdering innocent people, including children, even Muslims. ISIS has threatened Jews with another Holocaust, they even said that Muslims who have become infidels where their main target in 2014. How is that not hate based on religious beliefs? They have been threatening infidels for a long time. Osama hated everyone who didn't share his ideology. He even said "Every Muslim, from the moment they realize the distinction in their hearts, hates American, hates Jews, and hates Israelis. This is a part of our belief and our religion". I'm done with your ignorant and biased posts. It's embarrassing how someone can be so blinded by hate. I never justified anyones actions im just giving a fact on why they are doing their actions.. if someone rapes someone and I tell people that this person raped because the victim raped his sister for example em I justifying the rapist actions? no im just giving facts on why they did what they did. Osama said he hated none muslims but he never justified killing them and if you asked him if its ok to kill a none muslim he would say no its not.. only none muslims who are killing muslims is justified in his opinion and thats why binladin would never kill or attack russia or china for example. I dont know you say that im biased and blinded with hate when you cant point out how im being biased. 9 minutes ago, Andres Miller said: Damn dude. I respect your beliefs** (opinions, not necessarily truths) but take things with a grain of salt and don't expect everyone to align with them. If you don't, then you'll never have your beliefs heard and ultimately shared. Don't pop a blood vessel. I never "accused" you of being Middle Eastern as if its something to be argued in a negative way. I simply noticed you were from the Middle East and, maybe inappropriately, assumed that you may have received some backlash from ignorant people who may have falsely and wrongly accused the Middle East with some sort of umbrella usage of the word terrorist. Im not interested in your opinion of me and my beliefs weather its good or bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres Miller 206 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 3 minutes ago, Fays1 said: I never justified anyones actions im just giving a fact on why they are doing their actions.. if someone rapes someone and I tell people that this person raped because the victim raped his sister for example em I justifying the rapist actions? no im just giving facts on why they did what they did. Osama said he hated none muslims but he never justified killing them and if you asked him if its ok to kill a none muslim he would say no its not.. only none muslims who are killing muslims is justified in his opinion and thats why binladin would never kill or attack russia or china for example. I dont know you say that im biased and blinded with hate when you cant point out how im being biased. Im not interested in your opinion of me and my beliefs weather its good or bad. Whether*** I hope you have a good day! I hope you find outlets for your feelings--Lady Gaga forums don't count. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 3 minutes ago, Andres Miller said: Whether*** I hope you have a good day! I hope you find outlets for your feelings--Lady Gaga forums don't count. Having outlets for my feelings is not something im ashamed of and doesnt make my opinion less important.. I do have outlets in real life but I dont live in the west so when I see people talking about how they can nuke me and my people, I will call them out and give my opinion yet im the one being attacked not the person who said they can nuke us! You just want to make me feel lesser than you for obvious reasons I wont even try to do the same thing to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 7 minutes ago, Fays1 said: I never justified anyones actions im just giving a fact on why they are doing their actions.. if someone rapes someone and I tell people that this person raped because the victim raped his sister for example em I justifying the rapist actions? no im just giving facts on why they did what they did. Osama said he hated none muslims but he never justified killing them and if you asked him if its ok to kill a none muslim he would say no its not.. only none muslims who are killing muslims is justified in his opinion and thats why binladin would never kill or attack russia or china for example. I dont know you say that im biased and blinded with hate when you cant point out how im being biased. Im not interested in your opinion of me and my beliefs weather its good or bad. What you fail to realize is that the reason why someone hurts or kills INNOCENT people is not important and there's actually no reason to kill innocents. Osama killed innocent people who never killed a Muslim and he didn't even target the real problem, the reason why he killed them shouldn't matter at all. You have been avoiding parts of my arguments all this time. You avoided my argument about the recent killings because of religious beliefs, my argument about people who were killed because of their ideas, my argument about how ISIS uses Islam to justify their barbaric plans, my argument about how can you don't know everything or be educated on everything... The only point you have been trying to make is that thanks to the West, specially the US, some poor and hurt Muslims have had to become an extremist terrorist group whose only mission is to defend themselves from the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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