DrewStevens 5,249 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 1 hour ago, Fays1 said: It is not impossible for me to know what ends terrorism.. this is the third time you try to shut me up by telling me im not the government! if thats the case, you shouldnt even give your opinion or even have this argument with me in the first place. My argument was not about how to end terrorism, it was about how to end ISIS in Syria but if you want to talk about terrorism in general well you have to know why these terrorists exist. All of them say one thing witch is we dont want the west to control us so if the west wants to stop terrorism, they should stop what they are doing in the Middle East. Its very simple yet the west will never do that for obvious reasons. It is impossible, just like it's impossible for you to know what it's going to happen tomorrow. You can't see the future so it's impossible for you to know what is going to happen if you or anyone else does a certain thing. It's a basic concepts in Probability. I never said your idea is not valid, I just said it's not very realistic considering all the facts we know about ISIS, but that doesn't mean it's not remotely plausible. ISIS is only dangerous because they are terrorist. They don't have to attack other countries to be considered terrorist, they are terrorists just by attacking Syrians. People in the Middle East were in war even before the US even existed so you can drop the whole 'The west is responsible' card. The West contributed, but they/we are not the only ones to blame for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 4 hours ago, DrewStevens said: It is impossible, just like it's impossible for you to know what it's going to happen tomorrow. You can't see the future so it's impossible for you to know what is going to happen if you or anyone else does a certain thing. It's a basic concepts in Probability. I never said your idea is not valid, I just said it's not very realistic considering all the facts we know about ISIS, but that doesn't mean it's not remotely plausible. ISIS is only dangerous because they are terrorist. They don't have to attack other countries to be considered terrorist, they are terrorists just by attacking Syrians. People in the Middle East were in war even before the US even existed so you can drop the whole 'The west is responsible' card. The West contributed, but they/we are not the only ones to blame for. Nobody can know what may happen in the future but there is logical things you can do unlike governments that are doing the exact opposite of logic. We do know alot of facts about ISIS they put it out all in the open yet all you listen to is what twitter says about them. Have you ever read whats their reasons or do you really think that they bomb the west because they hate it for its freedom like they say on TV? The whole world was at war before the US existed but we now live in a different time where everyone has their right to not be invaded or invade others. The islamic world has always been united though and did not live in war as you claim.. The Ottoman empire was the last islamic empire that lasted 700 years uniting all muslims together until the british empire came in in the 1700s and separated and divided the Arab world into many countries. They started by dividing the middle east so they can easily control them like in the secret Sykes Picot agreement where they divided Syria into four countries (New Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan) and then made christians rule muslims in lebanon witch ended up in a civil war and gave palestine to the jews funding it with billions even after promising palestine independence! They then started to fund islamic terrorist malitias and created alqaeda to do their dirty works while putting radical islamic dictators into power and funding them like Saddam Hussein making have the the 4th strongest army in the world and told him to attack Iran to create a shia and sunni conflict. Saddam then used American weapons to chemically kill all the kurds in a genocide and to attack Kuwait and other neighboring Arab countries witch ended up with the gulf war. Because of the gulf war, the US installed a military basis in Saudi Arabia and still refuse to remove it even though it was one of the reasons terrorists attacked the US as they consider Saudi Arabia a holy land. The US then Created a sanction against Iraq and bombed their food supplies witch ended with a famine crisis killing one million children all dying from famine! ofcourse you know the rest.. they illegally invaded iraq for no reason and took its oil and killed saddam hussein on the day of our islamic holiday like christmas. They are still interfering in the name of helping us like funding our uprisings and giving power to islamic malitias in our countries like the muslim brotherhood and Alqaeda that ruined all these uprisings and that led to the creation of ISIS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 8 hours ago, Fays1 said: Nobody can know what may happen in the future but there is logical things you can do unlike governments that are doing the exact opposite of logic. We do know alot of facts about ISIS they put it out all in the open yet all you listen to is what twitter says about them. Have you ever read whats their reasons or do you really think that they bomb the west because they hate it for its freedom like they say on TV? The whole world was at war before the US existed but we now live in a different time where everyone has their right to not be invaded or invade others. The islamic world has always been united though and did not live in war as you claim.. The Ottoman empire was the last islamic empire that lasted 700 years uniting all muslims together until the british empire came in in the 1700s and separated and divided the Arab world into many countries. They started by dividing the middle east so they can easily control them like in the secret Sykes Picot agreement where they divided Syria into four countries (New Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan) and then made christians rule muslims in lebanon witch ended up in a civil war and gave palestine to the jews funding it with billions even after promising palestine independence! They then started to fund islamic terrorist malitias and created alqaeda to do their dirty works while putting radical islamic dictators into power and funding them like Saddam Hussein making have the the 4th strongest army in the world and told him to attack Iran to create a shia and sunni conflict. Saddam then used American weapons to chemically kill all the kurds in a genocide and to attack Kuwait and other neighboring Arab countries witch ended up with the gulf war. Because of the gulf war, the US installed a military basis in Saudi Arabia and still refuse to remove it even though it was one of the reasons terrorists attacked the US as they consider Saudi Arabia a holy land. The US then Created a sanction against Iraq and bombed their food supplies witch ended with a famine crisis killing one million children all dying from famine! ofcourse you know the rest.. they illegally invaded iraq for no reason and took its oil and killed saddam hussein on the day of our islamic holiday like christmas. They are still interfering in the name of helping us like funding our uprisings and giving power to islamic malitias in our countries like the muslim brotherhood and Alqaeda that ruined all these uprisings and that led to the creation of ISIS. I'm not even going to try to argue anymore about our knowledge about what is the solution because it seems like you think know everything and clearly you don't. The world has always been the same. People kill people everyday in the name of money, power and religion. The Middle East wasn't peaceful, it never was, just like the West is not peaceful even though they claim that our world is more civilized. People are still dying and suffering because our own problems, because of religion, race and gender in the West. Is it different in the Middle East? Weren't people dying because of religion even before there was war? Yes, the US is partially responsible for this war, but they are not the only ones and Syria and Iraq are responsible too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,938 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 16 hours ago, Fays1 said: No they cant do that.. its not that simple and you should already know after the afghan war that still havent ended and how much the US was effected by it. The US could single handedly make all of the middle east a giant crater, but because we aren't barbarians, we haven't. This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 8 minutes ago, DrewStevens said: I'm not even going to try to argue anymore about our knowledge about what is the solution because it seems like you think know everything and clearly you don't. The world has always been the same. People kill people everyday in the name of money, power and religion. The Middle East wasn't peaceful, it never was, just like the West is not peaceful even though they claim that our world is more civilized. People are still dying and suffering because our own problems, because of religion, race and gender in the West. Is it different in the Middle East? Weren't people dying because of religion even before there was war? Yes, the US is partially responsible for this war, but they are not the only ones and Syria and Iraq are responsible too. Well you shouldnt argue with me in the first place because you believe that governments know more than us and our opinion is invalid. And yes I do know everything The world has not always been the same.. long time ago you did not need any justification to go to war it was a normal thing and killing people just because you want to take their land was ok unlike now where morality is always questioned. Killing is still going on because people like you still trust their governments but the shift is happening and thats why governments need to give people moral explanations to go to war. I never said the Middle East was peaceful but Arabs were united in one country and controlled themselves and people were not killing each other and we did not have the kind of dictators and terrorists today. All this started happening after the british empire but I do hold Arabs responsible too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 6 minutes ago, FATCAT said: The US could single handedly make all of the middle east a giant crater, but because we aren't barbarians, we haven't. You arent barbarians? are you sure? do you think wearing a suit and tie makes you civilized? The US government even tried to convince Kennedy to kill Americans in the Operation Northwoods as a fake terror attack to create a new war. You put people in prisons without a trial and torture them outside the US boarders so it can be illegal. Your people join illegal wars and kill children and civilians in order to put their kids to school! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,938 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 1 minute ago, Fays1 said: You arent barbarians? are you sure? do you think wearing a suit and tie makes you civilized? The US government even tried to convince Kennedy to kill Americans in the Operation Northwoods as a fake terror attack to create a new war. You put people in prisons without a trial and torture them outside the US boarders so it can be illegal. Your people join illegal wars and kill children and civilians in order to put their kids to school! Our people aren't barbarians. I'm sure. I don't wear a suit and a tie. US generals tried to convince Kennedy of those attacks, and Kennedy shut them down with threats of convictions. As for the torturing, the public was outraged when we learned that the FBI and CIA were torturing individuals, so don't assume that an agency makes us all barbarians. I have no idea what the **** you're talking about in that last sentence. This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 3 minutes ago, FATCAT said: Our people aren't barbarians. I'm sure. I don't wear a suit and a tie. US generals tried to convince Kennedy of those attacks, and Kennedy shut them down with threats of convictions. As for the torturing, the public was outraged when we learned that the FBI and CIA were torturing individuals, so don't assume that an agency makes us all barbarians. I have no idea what the **** you're talking about in that last sentence. The public was outraged about the torture yet you still have camps that continue to do this.. yes Kennedy shut them down because he was good but im sure the rest of the presidents have not shut that down.. America is a barbaric coutry like all other countries in the world if not worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1495 991 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 17 hours ago, MARLON BRANDO said: lol if they do that the USA alone could easilly disappear Syria if they wanted to 17 hours ago, Fays1 said: SincNo they cant do that.. its not that simple and you should already know after the afghan war that still havent ended and how much the US was effected by it. Since the USA plays somewhat by the rules they would do that but if they could I sure they won't mind using nukes. The repercussions of that option are way to costly though. It would be a last chance option like when Japan didn't want to surrender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 27 minutes ago, Fays1 said: Well you shouldnt argue with me in the first place because you believe that governments know more than us and our opinion is invalid. And yes I do know everything The world has not always been the same.. long time ago you did not need any justification to go to war it was a normal thing and killing people just because you want to take their land was ok unlike now where morality is always questioned. Killing is still going on because people like you still trust their governments but the shift is happening and thats why governments need to give people moral explanations to go to war. I never said the Middle East was peaceful but Arabs were united in one country and controlled themselves and people were not killing each other and we did not have the kind of dictators and terrorists today. All this started happening after the british empire but I do hold Arabs responsible too. Killing is still going because of people trust their government? How is that even an argument? People kill people because they want to and they can. You can't blame the government for every death in the world. The government is responsible for many things but that doesn't mean you as an individual can blame them for your own actions. I don't go and kill people with a gun because the US government has laws that let you have guns. I don't want to defend the government and I never did but blaming just the government for this whole thing is not fair. The world order has changed but humans have not. They still kill people because they don't agree with their point of view, because they don't like their lifestyle, because they don't like their skin color, because their religion says so. That has never changed. I never said we can't argue about the war and give our opinion about it because we don't know as much as the government. I only argued that we can't be sure of what's the solution for all this problem. You don't know everything and neither I do. It's quite arrogant and foolish to think so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 6 minutes ago, Nick1495 said: Since the USA plays somewhat by the rules they would do that but if they could I sure they won't mind using nukes. The repercussions of that option are way to costly though. It would be a last chance option like when Japan didn't want to surrender. Like the US care about rules! they constantly break international and human rights rules all the time but they are not hold accountable.. The US dont want to nuke because in the long term they know it will effect them even more. Atleast you did not give the stupid excuse that your government is moral and dont do it because they want to help! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 1 minute ago, DrewStevens said: Killing is still going because of people trust their government? How is that even an argument? People kill people because they want to and they can. You can't blame the government for every death in the world. The government is responsible for many things but that doesn't mean you as an individual can blame them for your own actions. I don't go and kill people with a gun because the US government has laws that let you have guns. I don't want to defend the government and I never did but blaming just the government for this whole thing is not fair. The world order has changed but humans have not. They still kill people because they don't agree with their point of view, because they don't like their lifestyle, because they don't like their skin color, because their religion says so. That has never changed. I never said we can't argue about the war and give our opinion about it because we don't know as much as the government. I only argued that we can't be sure of what's the solution for all this problem. You don't know everything and neither I do. It's quite arrogant and foolish to think so. What im saying is wars are still going on because people like you trust that their government is doing it for the right and moral reasons when there is evidence in your face everyday that they are no different than ISIS. I never sow anyone who kills people because they dont agree with them! Again, I do know everything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GloZell Green 11,723 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I'm kind of afraid because the Willis/Sears Tower here in Chicago seems like a ideal target for those bastards. Hopefully they don't come. Oh and apparently there's also a suspicious bad at the airport so I'm praying they don't do anything to anyone or anywhere. Lady Gaga | Shakira Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 19 minutes ago, Fays1 said: What im saying is wars are still going on because people like you trust that their government is doing it for the right and moral reasons when there is evidence in your face everyday that they are no different than ISIS. I never sow anyone who kills people because they dont agree with them! Again, I do know everything When did I say I trust in the government or that I believe it's for the right and moral reasons? Wars are still going for many reasons. If you have never known of someone being killed because the way they think then you should open a history book more often or at least watch the news. Many people have been killed because of their ideas and because someone doesn't like those ideas. If you know everything why are you on GagaDaily arguing with some random people instead of helping a secret service agency or working for some secret Anonymous type thing? If you really know everything tell us the names and locations of some American members of ISIS. At least five. C'mon and help the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 5 minutes ago, DrewStevens said: When did I say I trust in the government or that I believe it's for the right and moral reasons? Wars are still going for many reasons. If you have never known of someone being killed because the way they think then you should open a history book more often or at least watch the news. Many people have been killed because of their ideas and because someone doesn't like those ideas. If you know everything why are you on GagaDaily arguing with some random people instead of helping a secret service agency or working for some secret Anonymous type thing? If you really know everything tell us the names and locations of some American members of ISIS. At least five. C'mon and help the world. Im not talking about history, im talking about modern days.. people are killing for political reasons and not race or beliefs. Im not a secret service agent because the existence of governments itself is immoral and I dont want to belong to any of them.. when I say I know everything I mean I know everything with the information that is available witch means im educated on everything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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