Tokyo Rose 1,475 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 1 minute ago, Simon said: You do know that this is an anti-semitic conspiracy right? http://forward.com/news/200825/why-ashkenazi-jews-are-not-descended-from-khazars/ http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/study-finds-no-evidence-of-khazar-origin-for-ashkenazi-jews/2014/02/23/ "Jews break down into three genetic groups, all of which have Middle Eastern origins – which are shared with the Palestinians and Druze"http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/science/1.681385" So stop with your bulls--t. Do you even read your own links before posting? "Because the Khazar population has left no obvious modern descendants that could enable a clear test for a contribution to Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry, the Khazar hypothesis has been difficult to examine using genetics.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 9 minutes ago, Simon said: You do know that this is an anti-semitic conspiracy right? http://forward.com/news/200825/why-ashkenazi-jews-are-not-descended-from-khazars/ http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/study-finds-no-evidence-of-khazar-origin-for-ashkenazi-jews/2014/02/23/ "Jews break down into three genetic groups, all of which have Middle Eastern origins – which are shared with the Palestinians and Druze"http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/science/1.681385" So stop with your bulls--t. You're a very hostile person Simon. You need to be a bit less vitriolic. Even if it were a conspiracy theory as you suggest, that is only one example of many. Many modern Jews descend from North Africa. That is not the Middle East where the Semitic people are from. Also you're discounting converts. So ultimately when I was saying "original" Jews I meant those of the Semite tribes in the Middle East. Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 Just now, Tokyo Rose said: Do you even read your own links before posting? "Because the Khazar population has left no obvious modern descendants that could enable a clear test for a contribution to Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry, the Khazar hypothesis has been difficult to examine using genetics.” Exactly. Do you know how many lost people are there? I mean c'mon. DNA were proven for Ashkenazi Jews that they come from the Middle East and there is NO historical source that Khazars converted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 2 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said: You're a very hostile person Simon. You need to be a bit less vitriolic. Even if it were a conspiracy theory as you suggest, that is only one example of many. Many modern Jews descend from North Africa. That is not the Middle East where the Semitic people are from. Also you're discounting converts. I'm hostile ? You are the one insulting my people. You do know that Jews got kicked out several times right? That's why Jews lived in so many different places, mess. Converts are really rare and mostly mix with Jews later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 3 minutes ago, Simon said: I'm hostile ? You are the one insulting my people. You do know that Jews got kicked out several times right? That's why Jews lived in so many different places, mess. Historical debates and arguments are not insults. You are too easily offended. Judaism originated from the Middle East, but the religion did not grow out of a singular space. Many North Africans were converted to Judaism and they do not share ancestry with Middle Eastern Semitic tribes. That is all. Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 Just now, LebaneseDude said: Historical debates and arguments are not insults. Judaism originated from the Middle East, but the religion did not grow out of a singular space. Many North Africans were converted to Judaism and they do not share ancestry with Middle Eastern Semitic tribes. That is all. You are not a scientist. You don't back your information. I did which shown that all three Jewish tribes share Middle Eastern origin who also Palestinians and Druze share btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo Rose 1,475 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 2 minutes ago, Simon said: I'm hostile ? You are the one insulting my people. You do know that Jews got kicked out several times right? That's why Jews lived in so many different places, mess. Jews are the most privileged, richest, and influential race in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 4 minutes ago, Simon said: You are not a scientist. You don't back your information. I did which shown that all three Jewish tribes share Middle Eastern origin who also Palestinians and Druze share btw. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_Jews Clearly Jewish people traveled to these locations for one reason or another, but the tribes were converted to Judaism. That's one example of many. Frankly this entire debate is nonsense. The mere fact that you can convert to Judaism, as difficult as it can be, discounts the idea that ALL Jews are from the Middle East. So even if theoretically 99.99% of modern Jews were from the Middle East, the 0.01% aren't and are therefore not the "original" Jews. At this point I don't think you know what you're arguing about. Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 2 minutes ago, Tokyo Rose said: Jews are the most privileged, richest, and influential race in the world. What the actually f? I really wanna know how I am privileged when people I get beat up for being Jewish? When our house get vandalized for being Jewish? For our synagogue getting it windows crashed in for being a jewish? Yeah, totally privileged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobster 14,604 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 5 hours ago, Morphine Prince said: Actually, no one is arguing that. Of course freedom of speech has its limitations and can have legal repercussions. You can't yell "fire!" in a store or whatever. However something as extreme as this German law would not happen in other countries. Literally imprisoning someone fro their (wrong, stupid, delusional) belief. Where does it stop? How will this law be expanded? I already provided different example and none of the supporters of this law have responded to them. I guess you have to be German to think this is ok. Or European at least. Oh, okay, in that case we agree to a certain level... I thought you said people shouldn't go to jail for speech and that's why I thought you were defending "freedom of speech" in general... I don't think you have to be German to understand this... She went to COURT and TV to say this... Imagine someone went to court and tv and claimed they were raped, but there is more than definitive proof that it couldn't happen... that person should obviously go to jail. The holocaust is linked to many legal cases, that have been proven... You can't just lie about the guilt of the people sitting in jail, when there is not a single doubt that they are indeed guilty. And to answer your other question: No, Trump would most likely not be in jail (from what I've heard of him, I don't know every single thing that has come out of his mouth) ... He wouldn't have the support he has in the US, though... Trump would not be in jail, just like the representatives of the NPD, that has ideas, even more medieval than Trump's... but they haven't denied legal facts... just stated an unfounded (borderline delusional) opinion... But I'm only a man and I do what I can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo Rose 1,475 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 3 minutes ago, Simon said: What the actually f? I really wanna know how I am privileged when people I get beat up for being Jewish? When our house get vandalized for being Jewish? For our synagogue getting it windows crashed in for being a jewish? Yeah, totally privileged. Nobody should have to feel bad about who they are based on race. Many whites in Europe are beaten for who they are, but this doesn't negate the existence of white privilege does it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qualle1 1,385 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 3 hours ago, Goosey said: I couldn't care what the German constitution says. It's clearly substandard when it comes to freedom of speech. They are trying to protect society at the expense of individual freedoms. Germany has a history of being rigid and controlling. It doesn't matter if it's the Kaiser, the Nazis, the Stasi or the current regime. I'm just glad I don't live there. I am also extremely glad that YOU don't live here... MAKE LOVE NOT WAR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 Just now, Tokyo Rose said: Nobody should have to feel bad about who they are based on race. Many whites in Europe are beaten for who they are, but this doesn't negate the existence white privledge does it? Deadly attack in Kosher shop, Paris. Deadly attack at Jewish Museum, Brussels Deadly attack at bar Mitzvah, Copenhagen Yep really privileged. So happy that I don't need to fear my life when openly Jewish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 4 minutes ago, hmlswine said: Imagine someone went to court and tv and claimed they were raped, but there is more than definitive proof that it couldn't happen... that person should obviously go to jail.. Why? They lied on TV. Isn't that what happens in 99% of the reality TV shows? Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 2 minutes ago, Simon said: Deadly attack in Kosher shop, Paris. Deadly attack at Jewish Museum, Brussels Deadly attack at bar Mitzvah, Copenhagen Yep really privileged. So happy that I don't need to fear my life when openly Jewish. All religious groups have been persecuted recently. You are not unique in your fears. I'm always worried some fundamentalist Islamic group is going to massacre my relatives in Lebanon as they have done in Egypt. So stop attempting to place Jewish people and yourself as an exception to the norm. Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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