ISIS Threatening Albania

[SlaeUrAnus 16,111]

1 hour ago, Gaga Delano said:

@SlaeUrAnus henny I'm a Muslim and I'm pissed with ISIS. They ruin my religion and made people insult us more. I know u said "I'd rather shoot myself in the face than kneel to Allah." as an expression of anger to ISIS so I'm fine with that .. Allah didn't thought us to be evil and barbaric so I'm very sure that ISIS didn't follow the Quran which taught us to respect every other religion. F*ck ISIS 

Thank you Hunny. It was totally a response to ISIS. I never meant to offend anyone :hug: 

[AlphaMonster 1,806]

31 minutes ago, Truth said:

I see, I brought up Shia-Sunni issue, because I remember that there were also many conflicts based on that, while the differences between these two groups seem to be tiny for a regular Jew or Christian who is not interested in religions, so I it is sort of a comparison for me. I understand this is entirely new ideology (however, there were such radical attempts in history as far as I remember) and they would probably like to kill both Shia and Sunni, as none of them is as radical as ISIS. Also, it is obvious to me that these groups such as Al-Qaeda or ISIS do not really fight for religion (they preach hate, not love), but mainly for political reasons and for power. The only sad thing is that innocent people suffer... So again thank you for letting me know how they perceive their actions, I was very interested to know that and I think I understand it now. However, it made me even more resentful that there is so little done to stop them, how long the world is going to tolerate this cruelty? The longer we wait, the stronger and better organized they become!

There might be countries benefiting from actions of such extremist organizations but I don't think they do these actions for power. Such actions require strong commitment... Religion is very subjective, fighting for religion does not necessarily mean preaching love. I am sure that crusades did not preach love either ...

The most important detail to understand Islamic conflicts is that Islamic geography never experienced a holistic enlightenment, so most these extremist organizations are living islamic version of middle age europe. The closest thing to enlightenment in this geography is the Ataturk's reforms after foundation of Republic of Turkey. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atat%C3%BCrk%27s_Reforms

So it is important to notice this huge impact of illumination on these issues. To give an example, for urban turkish populations difference b/w Shia and Sunni is nothing; they simply "don't give a sh*t" as a result of enlightenment... Impact of religion on everyday life, social structure, and everyday decision is very minimal ... As a born and raised Istanbulite, I am atheist muself but my religious background is consisting of 50% Sunni, 25% Alevi-Bektashi (turkish interpretation of Shia), and 25% jewish. This background is not an issue from a western view. The word western here in its conventional meaning signifies that a period of cultural enlightenment was experienced.

But the same issue can cause massive problems in some other areas. Most of islamic geography is still in a cultural middle age filled with reactionary ideologies, religious oppression and obscurantism. So even tho differences b/w Sunni and Shia is not big, they cause big differences...

You said a regular christian/jew who is not interested in religion, but these differences are not related to religion but political history and culture more.

[Truth 90]

3 minutes ago, AlphaMonster said:

There might be countries benefiting from actions of such extremist organizations but I don't think they do these actions for power. Such actions require strong commitment... Religion is very subjective, fighting for religion does not necessarily mean preaching love. I am sure that crusades did not preach love either ...

The most important detail to understand Islamic conflicts is that Islamic geography never experienced a holistic enlightenment, so most these extremist organizations are living islamic version of middle age europe. The closest thing to enlightenment in this geography is the Ataturk's reforms after foundation of Republic of Turkey. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atat%C3%BCrk%27s_Reforms

So it is important to notice this huge impact of illumination on these issues. To give an example, for urban turkish populations difference b/w Shia and Sunni is nothing; they simply "don't give a sh*t" as a result of enlightenment... Impact of religion on everyday life, social structure, and everyday decision is very minimal ... As a born and raised Istanbulite, I am atheist muself but my religious background is consisting of 50% Sunni, 25% Alevi-Bektashi (turkish interpretation of Shia), and 25% jewish. This background is not an issue from a western view. The word western here in its conventional meaning signifies that a period of cultural enlightenment was experienced.

But the same issue can cause massive problems in some other areas. Most of islamic geography is still in a cultural middle age filled with reactionary ideologies, religious oppression and obscurantism. So even tho differences b/w Sunni and Shia is not big, they cause big differences...

I agree that enlightenment must be what makes such a difference, in past I sometimes used to think that those radicals are just like those middle age "warriors". I've heard about Ataturk and his reforms and how they made the country secular and calmer and I'm fully aware of the fact that still there are many places in the Middle East respect only the law of Koran, which to me is often interpreted in a very twisted way (I haven't read it in full, I cannot give you any examples, so I'm sorry for my ignorance anyway).

The fact that I started talking about love in reference to religion is yet another example that I was raised in a completely different environment and religion and I'm not really good at figuring out what is going out there on my own. I think the problem in the West is that our politics have the same troubles and they have no clue what to do about the problem that occurred. They concentrate mainly on the immigration and on "how we will accommodate so many people in such a short period of time" and they forget about the reasons why this immigration takes place. There were many mistakes that the West made that let ISIS get stronger and it's actually scary, because those people know how to influence the youth and they can radicalize them easily (I have no clue what is so appealing to them, though), so everything is likely to get worse in the future.

I see what you mean saying that religion is subjective. What I meant is that the religious leaders of those radicals intentionally brainwash the believers so as to reach their political aims (whatever they are in case of ISIS). On the other hand, I feel sorry for ISIS soldiers, although I truly despise their deeds, because probably are so brainwashed that they do not realize that what they do is the pure evil. They must really believe in these lies that murdering innocent people is good if they are so willing to do that "for their god". I wonder if there is any way to persuade them otherwise without using violence, however, it would be too ideal to be real. Personally, I strongly trust that even people who do not know the philosophy of any religion, they have something like conscience nonetheless. I'm Jewish and even if I my faith was different or if I wasn't religious at all, I would feel somewhere inside me that would tell me that killing is not right, so I would never hurt anyone innocent. What is wrong with those people that although they see the suffering they still are proud of their atrocious deeds??