Would Iggy Azalea be taken more seriously if she was black?

[StrawberryBlond 14,102]

On 15/11/2015, 21:27:05, dicsoheave865 said:

no. Macklemore and Eminem are huge selling rappers and they are white. @Haroon remov this thread

This actually proves my point - 2 white rappers having success (and Macklemore's only one album down, he could just be a flash in the pan) in all these years in a sea of black rappers is evidence that whites aren't welcomed to the genre with open arms. This is the argument a lot of people come up with when there's talk about a lack of white rappers and they don't realise how flawed it is when you can only name two. If it was the other way around and I could only name 2 black jazz artists, you'd be saying that white people have got the upper hand in jazz. So, why is it a different story when it's rap we're talking about? We're just conditioned to believe that whites are taking over everything and it's not true. Once you can name me, like, 10 white rappers that have had huge success, then maybe I'll get on board with this idea that the genre's getting taken over by whites. But until then, I'm going to say whites are at a disadvantage.

On 15/11/2015, 21:31:18, GloZell Green said:

Nope, on the contrary, she has an advantage being white because her bad music is supported for her "strength" to come out when white rappers aren't really common. She's like another Eminem (his music sucks too)  I only support Brooke Candy tbh 

Really? You think Eminem (arguably the best white rapper ever) is trash? You think Brooke Candy's better? No one's taking her seriously, she has even less credibility than Iggy. I mean, you're entitled to like whatever you want but your taste is rather inconsistent.

On 15/11/2015, 21:38:42, Auro said:

The thing about asking "Would _____ be more _____ if they were ____" is that if they were a different race/gender/etc. then their voice would be much different than it is currently

It's clearly not just the voice that's an issue, though. Being white in itself is seen as some sort of problem, it's something that needs discussing if you're a white rapper. Colour should be incidental. It is ludicrous that in this day and age, the idea of a white person rapping is seen as some kind of novelty, that their whiteness is some sort of defect they've got to overcome in order to be good and that their colour is the sole reason behind any major success or awards they get. It's downright disgusting. It's probably why we don't even have all that many white rappers to begin with. Who wants to put up with that kind of BS in their career?

On 15/11/2015, 21:59:41, Harry said:

For goodness sake why would you make this thread? It will just go round and round in circles because some people think she's crap and some people think she's great. That's how the world works.

Your entire argument is based around the fact you think she's "good". That's all. You have no evidence to suggest that her ethnicity alone plays any part. The only reason her whiteness comes into it is because of her past racist comments and her cluelessness when it comes to addressing/responding to the totally valid criticisms and concerns aimed at her. I'm sorry but any white person proudly calling themselves a slave master in a music video whilst cracking a whip is an absolute MORON and has no clue, no matter how many times they apologise for it.

In regards to whether her 'talent' would be taken seriously - no. I'm sure we've all seen these.

Any rapper, black, white, Asian or anything else would be laughed at if they spouted their lyrics out in that unintelligible way. I can barely understand her whenever I see her performing live, and I have actually seen her live. Studio does wonders.

With the freestyle video, there's so many things to say about it that have no doubt been brought up a million times that I won't even bother. If you think it shows anything more than an untalented and phony rapper then you're as clueless as she is. The way she delivers a verse from her album under the guise of a freestyle, the way T.I. literally starts pacing the room in sheer panic as soon as he realises what she's been asked to do because he knows that his little manufactured machine is incapable.

The accent she puts on only to rap is embarrassing and borderline offensive.

Her ghostwriter has come forward. What does she actually do?

Maybe she is subject to more scrutiny in the rap game as a white person, just as Eminem was when his career began. The difference there is that... none of the above points apply to him. Sure, she's a woman too. And there is definitely discrimination against women in hip-hop. I still don't think most straight male hip-hop fans respect Nicki or even Kim. So that probably doesn't help her.

You could even play devil's advocate and argue that being the only 'white girl' of hip-hop helped her get attention.

If she was black none of the stuff I said about her critics would be valid, and it would only be the 'talent' issues that were relevant. So with that considered, I'm going to say no.

Because I want to discuss. It doesn't matter which way it goes, it's good to talk it out.

My argument isn't based around that she's good. It's based around the idea that she would be regarded as much more talented if she were black. You could think that even if you didn't like her. I think I have plenty of evidence that her ethnicity plays a part in how she's treated. She doesn't get the critical praise or awards or public respect that black rappers do, even when they're much worse and her race is constantly brought up and she's called a wigga, igloo australia etc. Black rappers also get the best critical reception and the most awards and respect in the entire game. Apart from Eminem, white rappers don't get much of a look in. What more evidence do you need? As I keep saying, if this was the other way round and the topic was about country music, you'd say that the abundance of whites being critically acclaimed and rewarded while blacks don't get a footnote is proof of white advantage and domination in the genre. So why does your opinion change when the genre is rap? At least my views are consistent. The jabs aimed at Iggy for her race started long before those racist moments were uncovered. From the moment she stepped in the door, it was made clear that nothing but bad things could come from a white Australian female rapper.

I never claimed iggy to be an amazing rapper. She needs a lot of work with her live performances. The way she raps is usually intelligable (like I said before, I like how I can hear every word she says) but she seems to crack a bit live. In the first video, this was obviously the first time she'd even done this and was very nervous. And in the second, she was even more nervous as she wasn't expecting this and panicked. Ok, she can't freestyle, but there's no proof that every rapper can. There's no way of proving that they didn't prepare it beforehand. They don't need to anymore because you don't need to start out in rap battles like the old days. Freestyling is a massive talent reseved for a very special few. For someone to come up with lyrics that rhyme on the spot without pausing is superhuman talent, so we can't all be superhuman. obviously. And that guy who phoned up the station was so rude and this is precisely what I'm talking about when I say white rappers struggle for respect. New Bitch is mediocre at best but there's a ton worse raps out there that need to be taken off the radio much more.

She puts on an accent because she's lived in the US since she was 16 and we generally think rap sounds better in an American accent because that's where most of it comes from. Foreign accents have less credibility. My Scottish accent sounds downright ridiculous when I rap, so of course I change it, so it sounds good. How's it any different from international singers magically switching to an American accent when they sing?

But her name is on the credits. And Drake has ghostwriters too but that story lasted for about a week then people moved on. Once again, white rappers being subjected to more extreme hate that black rappers effortlessly skim over.

Being the only white girl in hip hop may have helped her gain attention, yes. But attention isn't the same as praise, awards and respect. If anything, being the only white girl made her stand out in a really negative way. There was so much discussion in the hip hop community when Fancy went to #1, what it meant for hip hop to have rap to have such a pop makeover (no mention about how Nicki whitewashed her sound even moreso for success) and the implications of having 2 whites (one of whom wasn't even a rapper) making such a successful rap song. It's shocking that we still have these conversations in 2015. It's time the rap community moved into the 21st century and realised that music is avaliable to all races, all nationalities, all backgrounds and doesn't need to follow such strict rules all the time. That's how you kill the creativity and beauty of music - when you put limits on it.

23 hours ago, Hexxx said:

no because there aer a lot of black rappers that can't rap. the list goes on and on. but i would REALLY love it azealia rapped with HER REAL accent. 

And a lot of those black rappers who can't rap get high sales, praise, awards and respect even so. That's the difference. I explained to Harry above why Iggy has very valid reasons for changing her accent. Naturally, there's big pressure on her to knock any Australian whiteness out of her in order to be taken seriously. Most of us do change our voices when we sing anyway, it's no big deal and nothing to do with race.

19 hours ago, RAMROD said:

No. Because the problem is not her skin colour, but her rap skills and flow. 

And she's unable to spit freestyle which proves she is manufactured and not made from the streets.

If she was black, she will be female Soulja Boy or something, still ridiculed nbd.

So, NEVER ever, EVER, compare her with Eminem just cos they are both pale on the skin, Em is very reputable rapper in the community, he proved his worth.

Freestyling isn't a requirement of the job. Hello, we have album tracks for a reason, what's the need for freestyling? There's no proof that all freestyles were genuinely made up on the spot. This is the reason why freestyling doesn't really impress me. If you can do it, great, but it's just a bonus. A lot of rappers aren't from the streets anymore either, even the ones who claim they are. A lot of them come from wealthy families and are educated these days.

It's not a question of comparing her talent to Eminem's (who I think is better), it's just wondering how her skills would be quantified if she were black. And from what I've seen, critics and the public are a lot easier on black rappers, even when they're dire. But when youre white, you've got to "prove yourself," like you just said. If any other genre expected its non-white members to prove that they were better than the colour of their skin, they'd be called racists.

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11 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Really? You think Eminem (arguably the best white rapper ever) is trash? You think Brooke Candy's better? No one's taking her seriously, she has even less credibility than Iggy. I mean, you're entitled to like whatever you want but your taste is rather inconsistent.

I know Eminem is bad, there's no depth in anything he does or says, and the boring same sound he delivers is far from iconic. And yes I do because in reality, I could care less if someone I like is or isn't taken seriously by a bunch of "nobodies". Oh, and by the way, I wasn't really going to consider your music taste comment seriously, but then I saw your avi, and well, I realized the irony...

[Harry 26,836]

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Because I want to discuss. It doesn't matter which way it goes, it's good to talk it out.

My argument isn't based around that she's good. It's based around the idea that she would be regarded as much more talented if she were black. You could think that even if you didn't like her. I think I have plenty of evidence that her ethnicity plays a part in how she's treated. She doesn't get the critical praise or awards or public respect that black rappers do, even when they're much worse and her race is constantly brought up and she's called a wigga, igloo australia etc. Black rappers also get the best critical reception and the most awards and respect in the entire game. Apart from Eminem, white rappers don't get much of a look in. What more evidence do you need? As I keep saying, if this was the other way round and the topic was about country music, you'd say that the abundance of whites being critically acclaimed and rewarded while blacks don't get a footnote is proof of white advantage and domination in the genre. So why does your opinion change when the genre is rap? At least my views are consistent. The jabs aimed at Iggy for her race started long before those racist moments were uncovered. From the moment she stepped in the door, it was made clear that nothing but bad things could come from a white Australian female rapper.

I never claimed iggy to be an amazing rapper. She needs a lot of work with her live performances. The way she raps is usually intelligable (like I said before, I like how I can hear every word she says) but she seems to crack a bit live. In the first video, this was obviously the first time she'd even done this and was very nervous. And in the second, she was even more nervous as she wasn't expecting this and panicked. Ok, she can't freestyle, but there's no proof that every rapper can. There's no way of proving that they didn't prepare it beforehand. They don't need to anymore because you don't need to start out in rap battles like the old days. Freestyling is a massive talent reseved for a very special few. For someone to come up with lyrics that rhyme on the spot without pausing is superhuman talent, so we can't all be superhuman. obviously. And that guy who phoned up the station was so rude and this is precisely what I'm talking about when I say white rappers struggle for respect. New Bitch is mediocre at best but there's a ton worse raps out there that need to be taken off the radio much more.

She puts on an accent because she's lived in the US since she was 16 and we generally think rap sounds better in an American accent because that's where most of it comes from. Foreign accents have less credibility. My Scottish accent sounds downright ridiculous when I rap, so of course I change it, so it sounds good. How's it any different from international singers magically switching to an American accent when they sing?

But her name is on the credits. And Drake has ghostwriters too but that story lasted for about a week then people moved on. Once again, white rappers being subjected to more extreme hate that black rappers effortlessly skim over.

Being the only white girl in hip hop may have helped her gain attention, yes. But attention isn't the same as praise, awards and respect. If anything, being the only white girl made her stand out in a really negative way. There was so much discussion in the hip hop community when Fancy went to #1, what it meant for hip hop to have rap to have such a pop makeover (no mention about how Nicki whitewashed her sound even moreso for success) and the implications of having 2 whites (one of whom wasn't even a rapper) making such a successful rap song. It's shocking that we still have these conversations in 2015. It's time the rap community moved into the 21st century and realised that music is avaliable to all races, all nationalities, all backgrounds and doesn't need to follow such strict rules all the time. That's how you kill the creativity and beauty of music - when you put limits on it.

"My argument isn't based around that she's good." "She doesn't get the critical praise or awards or public respect that black rappers do, even when they're much worse" - a contradiction if I ever saw one. That's 100% subjective. I never said one time that white people don't have to do more to prove themselves more in rap but we are specifically talking about IGGY AZALEA and people have valid reasons for thinking she's not good.

I didn't say that every rapper can freestyle but radio performances are often expected of artists when they visit hip-hop stations, particularly new ones. It's got nothing to do with rap battles. But Iggy didn't even know that people rapped to beats on air, that's how clueless about the game as a whole she is. Seems the same applies to you. But I'm not saying you have to freestyle to be a talented rapper. That was used an example to prove more that she's a phony. She took a verse from her album when she was asked for a couple freestyle bars. She's a fraud.

Where she lived for however long has nothing to do with the accent because when she speaks she's 100% Aussie. The accent she puts on is a gross stereotype of what she probably considers to be "ghetto" or "ratchet". She puts it on, it's fake. Believe it or not there ARE Australian rappers that don't feel the need to force a hideous accent out. I don't see how you could say that faking an accent is more credible than staying true to yourself and your roots which shockingly has a lot to do with rap culture and "credibility". That shows how limited your knowledge of rap and music as a spectrum is. You have a clear Top 40 mindset.

There's no evidence Drake has co-writers. He was accused of it and the guy that was claimed to be his writer came forward and said that he had no part in writing any of Drake's lyrics, that he was in the studio whilst Drake was writing them, etc. Try again.

Yes that's a very lovely speech you did but if you want to talk about that then maybe make a thread less revolved around one artist in particular. Just because someone thinks Iggy Azalea is trash it doesn't mean they are automatically prejudice just because you think she's great. There are several white rappers who are respected in the community so the race thing quite clearly isn't the only thing causing Iggy's lack of acclaim. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram, accept other people's opinions and grow up.

[HANZ 4,380]

if she released the same music then no

[BlondeQueenOfGGD 25,454]

She's queen . Racist haters stay pressedT.

[Hexxx 2,244]

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

 

And a lot of those black rappers who can't rap get high sales, praise, awards and respect even so. That's the difference. I explained to Harry above why Iggy has very valid reasons for changing her accent. Naturally, there's big pressure on her to knock any Australian whiteness out of her in order to be taken seriously. Most of us do change our voices when we sing anyway, it's no big deal and nothing to do with race.

 

OMG i said Azealia i meant Azealea :fail: :lmao: um  i can't really answer your question since her accent is what i hear a lot of people complain about. and even with her bad lyrics she would be less hated (i think). i would put her with the category of Fetty Wap who basically doesn't even rap live. he sounds like a drunken zombie. 

[RAMROD 104,194]

2 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

 

Freestyling isn't a requirement of the job. Hello, we have album tracks for a reason, what's the need for freestyling? There's no proof that all freestyles were genuinely made up on the spot. This is the reason why freestyling doesn't really impress me. If you can do it, great, but it's just a bonus. A lot of rappers aren't from the streets anymore either, even the ones who claim they are. A lot of them come from wealthy families and are educated these days.

It's not a question of comparing her talent to Eminem's (who I think is better), it's just wondering how her skills would be quantified if she were black. And from what I've seen, critics and the public are a lot easier on black rappers, even when they're dire. But when youre white, you've got to "prove yourself," like you just said. If any other genre expected its non-white members to prove that they were better than the colour of their skin, they'd be called racists.

Ahahah, excuse me but no, freestyling is a must for rappers, if you understand what the genre is about. In hip hop radios, rappers are still asked to do free styles during interviews to tell if they are legit. And if they are fail to do so or having weak lines, granted they will be ridiculed and called fake, this is not exclusive to Iggy, or white people.

And rappers are still exchanged freestyle verses when they are in feuds just the same like back in the days.

Either recorded and released for free or done live in radio or like what Drake did for his diss tracks to Meek Mill, he released it on iTunes.

So no, black or white or yellow, if you cannot rap, have weak delivery, and cannot freestyle, critics will goes in on you. There are not many good white rappers, personally I only acknowledge Beastie Boys and Eminem on the mainstream side. There are few others on indie.

[StrawberryBlond 14,102]

10 hours ago, GloZell Green said:

I know Eminem is bad, there's no depth in anything he does or says, and the boring same sound he delivers is far from iconic. And yes I do because in reality, I could care less if someone I like is or isn't taken seriously by a bunch of "nobodies". Oh, and by the way, I wasn't really going to consider your music taste comment seriously, but then I saw your avi, and well, I realized the irony...

That shows you don't know much about his music, then. From the beginning, he's been known as a rapper who talks about real, thought provoking stuff in his music. That's why he gets critical praise and awards and the rap community love him. When someone is that well-liked, there's usually a reason for it. He's always made raps about growing up with his mum's addictions and mental problems, his destructive relationship with his ex wife, the perils of fame, dedications to his little girl and how he feels sorry for her growing up without him always being in her life, pleas to feuding rappers to make up before someone gets killed. He even made an anti-war song during the Bush administration. At least be educated before you make claims as to who is trash. I don't have a problem with you liking Brooke but at least be aware of the reputations surrounding your faves, especially if you're going to put down other artists in the process. And oh, look, another Lana hater. She can sing, she makes great music, she gets critical praise and rewards. She's doing something right.

9 hours ago, Harry said:

"My argument isn't based around that she's good." "She doesn't get the critical praise or awards or public respect that black rappers do, even when they're much worse" - a contradiction if I ever saw one. That's 100% subjective. I never said one time that white people don't have to do more to prove themselves more in rap but we are specifically talking about IGGY AZALEA and people have valid reasons for thinking she's not good.

I didn't say that every rapper can freestyle but radio performances are often expected of artists when they visit hip-hop stations, particularly new ones. It's got nothing to do with rap battles. But Iggy didn't even know that people rapped to beats on air, that's how clueless about the game as a whole she is. Seems the same applies to you. But I'm not saying you have to freestyle to be a talented rapper. That was used an example to prove more that she's a phony. She took a verse from her album when she was asked for a couple freestyle bars. She's a fraud.

Where she lived for however long has nothing to do with the accent because when she speaks she's 100% Aussie. The accent she puts on is a gross stereotype of what she probably considers to be "ghetto" or "ratchet". She puts it on, it's fake. Believe it or not there ARE Australian rappers that don't feel the need to force a hideous accent out. I don't see how you could say that faking an accent is more credible than staying true to yourself and your roots which shockingly has a lot to do with rap culture and "credibility". That shows how limited your knowledge of rap and music as a spectrum is. You have a clear Top 40 mindset.

There's no evidence Drake has co-writers. He was accused of it and the guy that was claimed to be his writer came forward and said that he had no part in writing any of Drake's lyrics, that he was in the studio whilst Drake was writing them, etc. Try again.

Yes that's a very lovely speech you did but if you want to talk about that then maybe make a thread less revolved around one artist in particular. Just because someone thinks Iggy Azalea is trash it doesn't mean they are automatically prejudice just because you think she's great. There are several white rappers who are respected in the community so the race thing quite clearly isn't the only thing causing Iggy's lack of acclaim. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram, accept other people's opinions and grow up.

No, my point is that if Iggy is a bad rapper, it still shouldn't stop her getting praise from most outlets seeing as bad rappers don't have a problem getting praise. Fetty Wap's atrocious album got an average of 7/10 from most publications, for crying out loud! I could say the same for many other terrible rap albums. The bar doesn't seem to be set very high. Being untalented isn't a barrier to praise and acceptance, that much is clear. So, why does Iggy suffer? Although they're rare, we have seen international rappers get praise and we have seen female rappers get praise, so maybe her nationality and gender aren't an issue. So, all that's left is the superficial elements of race. Just an observation. I may not have rock solid proof that her race plays a role in the hate against her but neither do you have any proof that her race doesn't play a role.

She wasn't clueless for thinking that freestyling didn't need beats. A lot of freestyles are acapella, most ones I've heard are acapella, as it allows more freedom to have the rap go in whatever direction you want, allowing for greater creativity. Some prefer to use beats, others don't, simple. But in this case, I think she was just using an excuse to go acapella by taking issue with the beat because the lyrics to New Bitch didn't work with the beat they gave her, that's all. A good save, albeit messy in the long run. I can understand why she did it, though. If she was honest, her career could have ended on the spot. By being dishonest, she could extend her career that bit longer. What would you have done in the same situation? And as I said before, there's no way of telling if a freestyle is a genuine freestyle, partiularly if the rapper knows they're going to do it in advance.

But it's a natural thing for most singers to change their accent when they sing! It doesn't make them fake, it's how a lot of us are conditioned from birth, when the music scene is dominated by Americans. Most of us don't even know what our natural singing voices sound like as we're used to copying the original singer. Even if you do keep your real accent, it will still sound different, nuances and swagger and dramatics and stuff. Yes, there are Australian rappers that keep their real accent and good for them, but it's not everyone's preference. Some of us just think a different accent sounds better or it's there for artistic reasons. Or pressure. You're British - you must know that a London accent is the only "accepted" rap accent around here and if someone rapped in say, a Liverpudlian or Glaswegian accent, they'd get laughed at. If your true self gets laughed at, you won't get credibility, so you have to change. I bet if Iggy rapped in an Aussie accent, people would still take the mick, maybe even moreso. Rap says it wants people to show their real roots, then laughs at them if those real roots aren't to their taste. Just because I don't mind whatever accent a rapper has (unless it sounds ridiculous) does not mean that I'm ignorant about rap. I just view credibility through the music, not the voice it's put down in. Ever since I was a teenager, I never had a top 40 mindst, I can assure you. This is why I review music - so I can discover music outside the top 40. Seeing as you were talking about Logic, I found this great video where he talks about Iggy and her accent and I wholeheartedly agree:

At the end of the day, it's art and entertainment and it's up to the artist how they present themselves.

Well, naturally they're going to deny it. Just like celebrities deny taking d--gs and going to rehab and everything else. Do you really think they're going to honest?

I do accept other opinions and I'm certainly grown up. I just think that other people's opinions can be prejudiced and I'm questioning the reasons behind why they have them. Conditioning has a lot to answer for when it comes to the music we like and the artists who respect. The media can be monsters in this game. They can make a great artist out to be terrible if they set out to make them fail whether it's uncovering negative stories about them or giving them bad reviews and so on - look at Lana. She's the perfect example. Right from the start, she was "exposed" as a millionaire's daughter who got her career bought for her and much was reported about her cringey SNL performance. 3 years later, so many people still think she didn't work hard for her career and that she still can't sing all because of how the media tried to bring her down. I feel like Iggy is someone who the media set up to fail as well. And as a music lover who appreciates how hard artists have to work to make it and how talented some are, I can't bear to see the public being conditioned to dislike them before they've even got properly started.

8 hours ago, Hexxx said:

OMG i said Azealia i meant Azealea :fail: :lmao: um  i can't really answer your question since her accent is what i hear a lot of people complain about. and even with her bad lyrics she would be less hated (i think). i would put her with the category of Fetty Wap who basically doesn't even rap live. he sounds like a drunken zombie. 

I know what you meant. Honestly, Fetty Wap is even worse. He's got that habit of singing that sounds like he's got his mouth hanging open and putting in stupid vocal sounds. Sounds more like a caricature of a black person than Iggy's ever done.

7 hours ago, RAMROD said:

Ahahah, excuse me but no, freestyling is a must for rappers, if you understand what the genre is about. In hip hop radios, rappers are still asked to do free styles during interviews to tell if they are legit. And if they are fail to do so or having weak lines, granted they will be ridiculed and called fake, this is not exclusive to Iggy, or white people.

And rappers are still exchanged freestyle verses when they are in feuds just the same like back in the days.

Either recorded and released for free or done live in radio or like what Drake did for his diss tracks to Meek Mill, he released it on iTunes.

So no, black or white or yellow, if you cannot rap, have weak delivery, and cannot freestyle, critics will goes in on you. There are not many good white rappers, personally I only acknowledge Beastie Boys and Eminem on the mainstream side. There are few others on indie.

But most of us listen to albums, so freestyles don't have a point. Most of us haven't heard famous rappers freestyle because we don't have to - that's what albums are for! I'd rather hear a rap that took time and effort to write rather than something that came off the top of someone's head because it's never as good.

If you want a good white rapper, check out Plan B. I think of him as the British Eminem seeing as a lot of their backgrounds are similar - white boy growing up in the inner city, surrounded by blacks, getting into rap, rapping about real issues with thought-provoking, sad and terrifying lyrics. His album, ill Manors, is one of the best rap albums I've ever heard. It's a pity that most Americans will never know his name when he's one of the best out there.

[RegiRey 443]

Iggy Iggs!

Idk, this situation is bi, it can go both ways:

Some say,

"Shes only famous because she's a hot white girl who can rap."

others say

"She'd be more famous if she was born black."

its a toss up.

Personally I don't think she'd be as famous if she was black.

[KyliesChild 16,907]

Iggy Azalea cannot rap and she is famous because she is white. She feeds on the “white girl" persona since day one and because of how she appropriates cultures it creates controversy; thus giving her popularity. Her music is terrible and the tweets she's made aren't helpful at all. To edit soon.

[GloZell Green 11,723]

13 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

That shows you don't know much about his music, then. From the beginning, he's been known as a rapper who talks about real, thought provoking stuff in his music. That's why he gets critical praise and awards and the rap community love him. When someone is that well-liked, there's usually a reason for it. He's always made raps about growing up with his mum's addictions and mental problems, his destructive relationship with his ex wife, the perils of fame, dedications to his little girl and how he feels sorry for her growing up without him always being in her life, pleas to feuding rappers to make up before someone gets killed. He even made an anti-war song during the Bush administration. At least be educated before you make claims as to who is trash. I don't have a problem with you liking Brooke but at least be aware of the reputations surrounding your faves, especially if you're going to put down other artists in the process. And oh, look, another Lana hater. She can sing, she makes great music, she gets critical praise and rewards. She's doing something right.

 

Okay, dissing people and using them for relevancy is really insulting, I'm in awe. I could care less what critics say, they're pathetic and bandwagon whenever they benefit from an artist. And obviously you did seeing as how you said no one takes her serious and all that bulls**t. I still stand by my claim, are you trying to make me look bad  It's messier than So Legit.

Oh yeah, she makes really good music, if you consider the same tone of music and a fake victimizing personality to make an artist. Spoon feds get the praise because their labels love em, what can you expect. 

[Kayla 7,595]

If she was black she wouldn't have even made it far in the rap industry. It's not like her rapping is actually that good, despite some catchy tunes, tbh. 

Unfortunately, the rappers I see as being the "best" are all male (and one of them is Eminem, even though his lyrics I disagree with), so it's hard for me to see how Iggy would compete if she were a black female, but let's be honest- she wouldn't beat out the very few female rappers that do get a lot of recognition. (And by few I mean FEW. We've got what- Nicki, M.I.A., and the female rap artists that have been around for decades already?)

I could see her going head to head with Nicki Minaj since that'd be her only real competition, but I honestly couldn't see her doing much with it. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,102]

Just now, GloZell Green said:

Okay, dissing people and using them for relevancy is really insulting, I'm in awe. I could care less what critics say, they're pathetic and bandwagon whenever they benefit from an artist. And obviously you did seeing as how you said no one takes her serious and all that bulls**t. I still stand by my claim, are you trying to make me look bad  It's messier than So Legit.

Oh yeah, she makes really good music, if you consider the same tone of music and a fake victimizing personality to make an artist. Spoon feds get the praise because their labels love em, what can you expect. 

I really don't mean to insult you. I'm actually trying ensure you don't go around saying this kind of stuff in places where you could get serious hate. Saying Brooke's a better rapper than Eminem and that Eminem doesn't make music about anything meaningful won't go down well 99% of the time. I'm just letting you be aware of what you could be getting yourself into if you make these opinions known. You're entitled to dislike Eminem but you've got to dislike from an educated standpoint. Don't say someone an artist isn't deep if you clearly haven't researched their music outside their most commercial singles, otherwise you could be called out and embarrassed. Believe me, I'm against the critics most of the time too. That's why I choose to remain an amateur critic - because I think professionals have agendas to push, that there's paid for reviews happening, that they praise whatever's successful and so on. But if there's critical praise on top of every other accolade, it may be worth digging a bit deeper to see if there's more to an artist.

Lots of artists make the same tone of music, it's nothing unusual. Lana is a character (seeing as this is a stage name), she's not word-for-word the person that comes across in her lyrics. She takes her personality and exaggerates it to create her music. And she had to fight for praise because she was critically under-rated at first. Critics appreciate her now but it took the public's acceptance of her to make them stop being so conditioned by what the media told them.

[Kayla 7,595]

On 11/16/2015, 5:34:52, GloZell Green said:

I know Eminem is bad, there's no depth in anything he does or says, and the boring same sound he delivers is far from iconic. And yes I do because in reality, I could care less if someone I like is or isn't taken seriously by a bunch of "nobodies". Oh, and by the way, I wasn't really going to consider your music taste comment seriously, but then I saw your avi, and well, I realized the irony...

Eminem is bad?

Not liking his lyrical content is totally fine (the man has some songs I find completely abhorrent), but he has a lot of talent. 

I do agree that the sound he delivers is often the same, and he's not exactly a bop-creator. But his lyrical abilities are quite impressive, and he can do it on the fly. 

[Cocaine Heart 4,768]

If this thread was about anyone else with the amount of bashing, it would of gotten closed by now but as usual when it involves hate towards Iggy it's fine.