BREAKING: France drops 20 bombs on Islamic State jihadi training camp

[Giorno Giovanna 3,178]

21 hours ago, OBEY said:

omg

i think this gif is inappropiate, because the situation is serious and horrible while this gif is from a comedy horror show and more about a funny situation ( which isn't the real world case)

[mic 1,415]

1 hour ago, venusian said:

what is violence going to do? please tell me?

LOL Yeah they should invite ISIS leaders for a cup of tea with a cake and shake their hands peacefully and tell to stop terror attacks since they're bad (maybe Isis don't know they're bad).

[Florian 20,017]

33 minutes ago, venusian said:

its not going to get every single isis member. they're not going to stop and they have proven that. 

Exactly !! You just contractited yourself.

"they're not going to stop" that's the main argument of this debate, if we don't take drastic measures, ISIS won't stop its attacks in Middle East and in the West. And that's exactly why violence is needed, ISIS must be weakened until it's not a big threat anymore. 

What are pacifist proposing to solve it? Nothing. And why? Because it's simply not realistic. 

That's one of the most Clausewitz's quotation : 

"Philanthropists may imagine there is a skilful method of disarming and overcoming an enemy without great bloodshed. However plausible this may appear, it is an error. In War, errors from benevolence are the worst. It is to no purpose, even against one's own interest, to turn away from the real nature of the affair because its horror excites repugnance. To introduce into the philosophy of War a principle of moderation would be an absurdity."

And that's exactly what is happening. ISIS is in war, and not treat them as an ennemy would be a huge mistake. This principe of moderation that you're trying to defend is what could lead to even more deaths than a short war. ISIS is a threat and must be consider that way. 

Now let's refer to your history classes and one of the biggest mistakes in History. Who started in 1935 to annex territories just like ISIS is doing currently? Third Reich. What happened back in these day? International community said "oh, bad bad Germans, what you're doing is wrong !" but no interventions. You know what happened few years later.

Isn't History made to learn from our mistakes? I think it is. And that's why when you see that the history is happening again, you have to make clever choice. And this time, instead of your pacific point of view "bad bad ISIS, what you're doing is wrong !" people decided to act, for the save of our Nations.

I'm maybe wrong, and maybe that if we says "bad bad ISIS" nothing similar to WW2 will happen. But that's a risk we cannot take, and our leaders understood it.

[venusian 4,686]

27 minutes ago, Florian said:

Exactly !! You just contractited yourself.

"they're not going to stop" that's the main argument of this debate, if we don't take drastic measures, ISIS won't stop its attacks in Middle East and in the West. And that's exactly why violence is needed, ISIS must be weakened until it's not a big threat anymore. 

What are pacifist proposing to solve it? Nothing. And why? Because it's simply not realistic. 

That's one of the most Clausewitz's quotation : 

"Philanthropists may imagine there is a skilful method of disarming and overcoming an enemy without great bloodshed. However plausible this may appear, it is an error. In War, errors from benevolence are the worst. It is to no purpose, even against one's own interest, to turn away from the real nature of the affair because its horror excites repugnance. To introduce into the philosophy of War a principle of moderation would be an absurdity."

And that's exactly what is happening. ISIS is in war, and not treat them as an ennemy would be a huge mistake. This principe of moderation that you're trying to defend is what could lead to even more deaths than a short war. ISIS is a threat and must be consider that way. 

Now let's refer to your history classes and one of the biggest mistakes in History. Who started in 1935 to annex territories just like ISIS is doing currently? Third Reich. What happened back in these day? International community said "oh, bad bad Germans, what you're doing is wrong !" but no interventions. You know what happened few years later.

Isn't History made to learn from our mistakes? I think it is. And that's why when you see that the history is happening again, you have to make clever choice. And this time, instead of your pacific point of view "bad bad ISIS, what you're doing is wrong !" people decided to act, for the save of our Nations.

I'm maybe wrong, and maybe that if we says "bad bad ISIS" nothing similar to WW2 will happen. But that's a risk we cannot take, and our leaders understood it.

i didn't ask for your life story

[Florian 20,017]

Just now, venusian said:

i didn't ask for your life story

Is it a proof of no more argument. I'm not telling my "life story" I'm just debating like everyone does. Sorry if I'm using arguments and examples to make my point but that's how we usually do. Don't be so childish.

[venusian 4,686]

Just now, Florian said:

Is it a proof of no more argument. I'm not telling my "life story" I'm just debating like everyone does. Sorry if I'm using arguments and examples to make my point but that's how we usually do. Don't be so childish.

do you really expect me to read that long ass essay i have better things to do. type as long as you want to and keep wasting your time. my opinion is the same

[Florian 20,017]

1 minute ago, venusian said:

do you really expect me to read that long ass essay i have better things to do. type as long as you want to and keep wasting your time. my opinion is the same

Don't feel so unique, I quote you cause you said something I could talk about but my post is adressed to everyone. Now I know why you're thought wasn't cohesive at all, you're just a stubborn children. But whatever.

I hope I'll can debate with more mature member.

[Sizzily 14,571]

22 minutes ago, Florian said:

Don't feel so unique, I quote you cause you said something I could talk about but my post is adressed to everyone. Now I know why you're thought wasn't cohesive at all, you're just a stubborn children. But whatever.

I hope I'll can debate with more mature member.

 The only thing they have is "Violence is bad, m'kay."  They won't take the time to propose a peaceful solution, which there isn't. Just let them live in denial.

[Florian 20,017]

2 minutes ago, Sizzliy said:

 The only thing they have is "Violence is bad, m'kay."  They won't take the time to propose a peaceful solution, which there isn't. Just let them live in denial.

I mean I respect their believes. They just need to convince me they're right and that I'm wrong. It's that easy. But currently they don't even propose something to substitute violence. Is it because there is none? Maybe.

[Qualle1 1,385]

1 hour ago, venusian said:

i didn't ask for your life story

You are so cheap...

[Kiddoo 18]

1 hour ago, mic said:

LOL Yeah they should invite ISIS leaders for a cup of tea with a cake and shake their hands peacefully and tell to stop terror attacks since they're bad (maybe Isis don't know they're bad).

the last time western forces fought against the al-quaida after the attacks on 09/11, they kinda contributed to the formation of the IS. but sure, let's do it again. maybe it will work out this time.

[Mobster 14,604]

8 hours ago, Simon said:

I guess you are not good in history. You do know how WW2 ended right? With the bombing and attacking of Germany and I'm really glad that allies did that. I hope France and others are also to bomb away ISIS. 

Hast du wirklich grad Dresden als erfolgreiches Kriegsende bezeichnet? Und willst dann noch behaupten der Rest wüsste nicht genug über Geschichte? 

Auch wenn es stimmen würde, dass du dich mit dem Thema auseinandergesetzt hast, heißt es lange noch nicht, dass du Menschenleben derart verachten solltest. Menschenleben werden in Geschichtsbüchern zu Zahlen und nichts mehr.

Natürlich bist du glücklich, weil wie du schon überall in diesem Forum angegeben hast, ist dir nur dein eigenes Leben wichtig und du hast natürlich nichts davon miterlebt.

Du glaubst Entscheidungen über das Leben anderer treffen zu dürfen. Du entscheidest nicht ob diese Menschen als Opfer für was du als sinnvolles Kriegsende bezeichnest, sterben sollen. Leider sind viele schon zum Opfer geworden und das Letzte was man sich anhören muss, ist wie du das Leiden ihrer Familien komplett in den Hintergrund schiebst.

[Paco 3,040]

7 minutes ago, hmlswine said:

Hast du wirklich grad Dresden als erfolgreiches Kriegsende bezeichnet? Und willst dann noch behaupten der Rest wüsste nicht genug über Geschichte? 

Auch wenn es stimmen würde, dass du dich mit dem Thema auseinandergesetzt hast, heißt es lange noch nicht, dass du Menschenleben derart verachten solltest. Menschenleben werden in Geschichtsbüchern zu Zahlen und nichts mehr.

Natürlich bist du glücklich, weil wie du schon überall in diesem Forum angegeben hast, ist dir nur dein eigenes Leben wichtig und du hast natürlich nichts davon miterlebt.

Du glaubst Entscheidungen über das Leben anderer treffen zu dürfen. Du entscheidest nicht ob diese Menschen als Opfer für was du als sinnvolles Kriegsende bezeichnest, sterben sollen. Leider sind viele schon zum Opfer geworden und das Letzte was man sich anhören muss, ist wie du das Leiden ihrer Familien komplett in den Hintergrund schiebst.

could you reply in english next time please? I would have liked to know what you said

[Mobster 14,604]

5 minutes ago, 101015 said:

could you reply in english next time please? I would have liked to know what you said

i don't think you would have "liked" what I had to say

[Dramatica 13,698]

1 hour ago, venusian said:

i didn't ask for your life story

Cheap shot! But according to you, we should stay put and watch IS kill innocents, recruit young boys and girls, plunder more weapons and gain new territories? Because if we took action it's violence?

This is a war situation, if you don't believe it yet, IS has declared war to anyone who goes against them, you can't blame a country for taking action in a situation of war. It's not like IS are open to discussion, or they started peace.