BREAKING: France drops 20 bombs on Islamic State jihadi training camp

[Kiddoo 18]

11 minutes ago, Simon said:

uh oh, this one neccassary, I agree with you on that. Compared to the crimes committed by Germany, it's nothing though. 

yeah but you can't just compare things like that. every life matters. 

[Melech 9,900]

12 minutes ago, Kiddoo said:

yeah but you can't just compare things like that. every life matters. 

Sometimes some people need to be "sacrificed" to safe others. While it's arguable in the case of Dresden, other cities need to be bombed to beat Germany and to free concentration camps. 

[Felicia 124]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

Sometimes some people need to be "sacrificed" to safe others. While it's arguable in the case of Dresden, other cities need to be bombed to beat Germany and to free concentration camps. 

That's actually very true. That's why some people are advocating a scorched earth strategy toward ISIS. Although it would kill many innocent people. Sometimes war has "collateral damage". Think about all of the innocent people going about their business in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[lego 44,165]

8 hours ago, Whispering said:

Probably so, but it's better than doing nothing. 

Over 1500 radicalized young men in France have traveled to other countries to train as terrorists. How is France going to track 1500 people 24/7, 365 days a year? They were keeping tabs on some of these men, but there are so many compared to the amount of available resources. 

 

Shouldn't securing own citizens come first? According to our French member @River French police knows, but doesn't do enough about these radicals. You said it yourself, they don't have resources to follow these people but they do have resources to go to war?

 

And these airstrikes seem to be pre-planned, but now it looks like revenge.

 

My source is @Luiz   (tell me where you read it)

[lego 44,165]

11 minutes ago, Simon said:

Sometimes some people need to be "sacrificed" to safe others. 

What if those people were your family?

[Felicia 124]

2 minutes ago, lego said:

What if those people were your family?

Sometimes people are just in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's nobody's fault. War is hell.

[Luiz 4,253]

3 minutes ago, lego said:

Shouldn't securing own citizens come first? According to our French member @River French police knows, but doesn't do enough about these radicals. You said it yourself, they don't have resources to follow these people but they do have resources to go to war?

 

And these airstrikes seem to be pre-planned, but now it looks like revenge.

 

My source is @Luiz   (tell me where you read it)

i read it on .... reddit lol

 

heres something though. i would post the RT article on it but people say its biased even though i trust it more than US news sites sometimes  

there is this website which i'm not sure about either but w/e

http://www.globalresearch.ca/important-events-leading-up-to-the-november-13-paris-terrorist-attacks-sheer-coincidence/5489228

is canada trustworthy or is this a conspiracy website  

[lego 44,165]

1 minute ago, Felicia said:

Sometimes people are just in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's nobody's fault. War is hell.

I'm not here for jusifying war crimes of world leaders and so called "colateral damage", these are human lives not numbers. Not statistics. Your life is not more important than their and vice versa.

[Melech 9,900]

7 minutes ago, lego said:

What if those people were your family?

Let's say. France doesn't attack ISIS. ISIS kills and commits genocide again Yezidi population and other ethnic minorities there. Hundreds of thousands people die. 

Now France attacks ISIS and is successful, but also kills 2000 innocent people. 

Do tell me, what would you chose? 

[lego 44,165]

1 minute ago, Luiz said:

i read it on .... reddit lol

 

heres something though. i would post the RT article on it but people say its biased even though i trust it more than US news sites sometimes  

there is this website which i'm not sure about either but w/e

http://www.globalresearch.ca/important-events-leading-up-to-the-november-13-paris-terrorist-attacks-sheer-coincidence/5489228

is canada trustworthy or is this a conspiracy website  

Thank you! I consider that site trustworthy, I don't care what anyone else says.   They often have all the references and educated writers so it's not like some amateur stuff.

[lego 44,165]

6 minutes ago, Simon said:

Let's say. France doesn't attack ISIS. ISIS kills and commits genocide again Yezidi population and other ethnic minorities there. Hundreds of thousands people die. 

Now France attacks ISIS and is successful, but also kills 2000 innocent people. 

Do tell me, what would you chose? 

 

 

Why are you always singling out Yezidis when majority of their victims are muslims? I'm just wondering. And you know who committed more atrocities than ISIS? Assad. And what is world doing to stop him? Nothing. The bombing against IS have lasted for year and a half and there is no progress. 

 

Also, you didn't answer my question. Would you say some people need to be sacrificed sometimes, if your family were among those people? 

[Melech 9,900]

4 minutes ago, lego said:

 

 

Why are you always singling out Yezidis when majority of their victims are muslims? I'm just wondering. And you know who committed more atrocities than ISIS? Assad. And what is world doing to stop him? Nothing. The bombing against IS have lasted for year and a half and there is no progress. 

 

Also, you didn't answer my question. Would you say some people need to be sacrificed sometimes, if your family were among those people? 

Well, because Yezidi is an example. Also I said other populations. 

Yeah Assad needs to go too, but I don't like either that you defend ISIS. 

You didn't answered my question either. 

[lego 44,165]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

Well, because Yezidi is an example. Also I said other populations. 

Yeah Assad needs to go too, but I don't like either that you defend ISIS. 

You didn't answered my question either. 

I asked the question first.

You anwered question with the question.

I didn't defend anyone, you obviously misunderstood. 

Let me quote something I read recently

"Too many people missing this:  Real challenge of ISIS isn't weapons or recruits.  It's ideology.  It takes more than bombs to defeat that."

 

[Morphine Prince 109,683]

Only other solution I've read from people here is to target domestic radicals. France is already doing that. Any more suggestions from the pacifists? 

[Whispering 18,865]

2 hours ago, lego said:

Shouldn't securing own citizens come first? According to our French member @River French police knows, but doesn't do enough about these radicals. You said it yourself, they don't have resources to follow these people but they do have resources to go to war?

 

And these airstrikes seem to be pre-planned, but now it looks like revenge.

 

My source is @Luiz   (tell me where you read it)

Yes, securing citizens should come first, but a countries military force (the soilders) are not for day to day, hour by hour stalking of 11,000 suspected sympathizers or jihadists in France. That's the job of the intelligence agencies. Due to the fact that there are so many returned and radicalized individuals and people on their watch list, it is too overwhelming for the intelligence agencies to keep up with all of them like they need to be followed. Two seperate groups of people in the government. 

France doesn't have the resources to track these thousands. The ratio to keep someone under surveillance 24 hours a day is 20 to 1. Do the math...that's two million operatives that would be needed to keep track of these suspected individuals.