Truth 90 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 1 minute ago, lego said: Identities of refugees are being checked. Closing borders means no one goes in or out. It doesn't mean they suspect them to be from the refugees. Exactly, only the identities of the refugees are being checked. And I was talking about illegal immigrants, who refuse to reveal their identity, don't want to give their fingerprints, etc. Why am I attacked for saying that they can be terrorists? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 1 minute ago, Truth said: Exactly, only the identities of the refugees are being checked. And I was talking about illegal immigrants, who refuse to reveal their identity, don't want to give their fingerprints, etc. Why am I attacked for saying that they can be terrorists? Because we need to know all the facts in this case before jumping to conclusions. I don't know how many really refuse to give their identity tho? Most people who are anti-immigration consider all refugees - women, children on boats as 'illegal immigrants', some of them may not want to register in one country because those countries do not want them and treat them bad, like Hungary, but registering there would mean they are not allowed to ask asylum in countries like Germany and they are stuck in those horrible refugee camps. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth 90 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 18 minutes ago, lego said: Because we need to know all the facts in this case before jumping to conclusions. I don't know how many really refuse to give their identity tho? Most people who are anti-immigration consider all refugees - women, children on boats as 'illegal immigrants', some of them may not want to register in one country because those countries do not want them and treat them bad, like Hungary, but registering there would mean they are not allowed to ask asylum in countries like Germany and they are stuck in those horrible refugee camps. First of all, when the country is not properly prepared for such a mass immigration, it is a weak target for such attacks (no matter if these were done by illegal immigrants, refugees, native French or whoever). It is because the country has to pay too much attention to the safety of the refugees, borders, etc. Those terrorists used that fact and attacked unexpectedly in many different places. Illegal immigration is a huge distraction to the system. So I also blame those tho support it. I'm certainly not blindly anti-immigration (I'm all into helping especially women, children and elders who are asylum seekers), however I do not support quite huge groups of people who want to enter illegally. Let's say that they didn't want to register in Hungary, but could you then tell me why the exact number of refugees in Austria is unknown (probably in Germany as well)? I've heard that there are groups who simply escape and don't want to leave they fingerprints. On the other hand, you described me people who are anti-immigration. I can tell you why I don't identify myself with radically pro-immigration, either. It is mainly because that majority people who support the immigration do not care about the lack of security and they defend even those groups that are clearly dangerous (like illegal immigrants). I'm somewhere in the middle, because I find it good to shelter refugees, however, I'm against breaking the law and violence. If the newcomers refuse obeying the law, apparently they don't need our help. Can you see my point now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luiz 4,253 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 i feell like there really is no solution to any of this. theres always going to be islam and it only takes a few to become radicalized and with all the refugees coming into europe it really can only mean attacks like this will increase, by how much? you wont know but i doubt it would lessen the mount of possible attacks :sweat: you dont deport people or go hitler and do some kind of ethnic cleansing. islam or muslims will not take over europe as some seem to think will happen but the radicalized few will terrorize europe for a decade or so and there is nothing you can do about it other than live in fear and morn the dead when it happens. I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luiz 4,253 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/paris-attacks-man-arrested-germany-smuggling-firearms-explosives-linked-french-attacks-1528726 Paris attacks: Man arrested in Germany for smuggling firearms and explosives linked to French attacks and of course fox news is reporting one of the attackers had a syrian passport on them. wonder if thats true. I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic 1,415 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Feels kinda ironic after recent immigrant support from Europe. This is why I never agreed with that. Europeans spend **** loads of time to find solutions, debate, etc. While these sweethearts just stick with their terrorism. I don't know how the worlds capital of culture can be just beaten down by blind religion followers? Is it revenge for colonial times or what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth 90 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 39 minutes ago, lego said: Because we need to know all the facts in this case before jumping to conclusions. I don't know how many really refuse to give their identity tho? Most people who are anti-immigration consider all refugees - women, children on boats as 'illegal immigrants', some of them may not want to register in one country because those countries do not want them and treat them bad, like Hungary, but registering there would mean they are not allowed to ask asylum in countries like Germany and they are stuck in those horrible refugee camps. By the way, this is the tweet from Europe 1 that says that two bombers are already identified. One of them had a Syrian passport: "Sur les 7 terroristes au moins 2 ont été identifiés, l'un aurait un passeport syrien, l'autre serait français" nous dit @GuillaumeBiet 1:05 PM - 14 Nov 2015" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 3 minutes ago, Truth said: By the way, this is a link to the tweet that says that 2 bombers are identified. One of them had a Syrian passport. Yes I know about that. We still don't know when or how he entered the country. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth 90 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 1 minute ago, lego said: Yes I know about that. We still don't know when or how he entered the country. Good. I only wanted to show it to you so that you can see that there is more to what I'm scared of than only suspicion. But still, I have nothing against those who really need help, my point is rather that it should be checked in much more scrupulous way what background those who enter have. It's wrong to me to blindly defend anyone who says that is a refugee. It needs the verification first. Have a nice day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 @Truth I understand. Thanks, same to you:) FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobster 14,604 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 21 minutes ago, mic said: Feels kinda ironic after recent immigrant support from Europe. This is why I never agreed with that. Europeans spend **** loads of time to find solutions, debate, etc. While these sweethearts just stick with their terrorism. I don't know how the worlds capital of culture can be just beaten down by blind religion followers? Is it revenge for colonial times or what? Why take it on the immigrants? Refugees have to go through so much to even arrive in Europe, many of them die in the process of getting here... People love to paint it as if though they suddenly decided to move to Europe and booked a plane ticket and that's that... If you only knew half the sh*t they go through to get here, you would never doubt the fact that they are fleeing destruction and death themselves... ISIS are hundreds of people, immigrants millions, so why is it fair to generalize? I haven't had a single unpleasant encounter with refugees, they are seeking help... Imagine your country was being bombed and you tried to escape and save your family and once you've found shelter, people turn their backs on you, burn your homes and start holding you responsible for what other people are doing? But I'm only a man and I do what I can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monketsharona 90,137 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 names of some victims start to be revealed... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupid 760 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 42 minutes ago, mic said: Feels kinda ironic after recent immigrant support from Europe. This is why I never agreed with that. Europeans spend **** loads of time to find solutions, debate, etc. While these sweethearts just stick with their terrorism. I don't know how the worlds capital of culture can be just beaten down by blind religion followers? Is it revenge for colonial times or what? So what would you have all innocent civlians do? Stay home and wait for a bomb to kill them or a savage raid by ISIS to rape and plunder their home and take you as captive? Yes we spend sh*tloads of time to find solutions just as we spent sh*tloads of time and money to fight the nazis in WW2 for example. The world is filled with bad people and right now people are risking their lives to get away from a certain death. No one puts their own child in an overcrowded boat which may sink crossing over to Europe if it wasn't their only hope. What happend in Paris is what they're fleeing from. Jeez grow up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaMyBlood95 9,915 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Omg I got chills by just reading the article. I pray for everyone in Paris! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qualle1 1,385 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 To be honest: Germany can be more than thankful, that such a horrible terror attack did not occur here until yet... My deepest sympathy with all the victims and their loved ones MAKE LOVE NOT WAR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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