Why all of a sudden?

[Saint Laurent 4,862]

I don't really think that most people's problem is with the music, more so the era.

[Whispering 18,865]

 

That is such a cop out, it really is.

If anything fan bases often have the opposite instinct, they bandwagon around an artist's ugly duckling period as a way of insulating that project from criticism. That is what you are doing, that is what everyone here who is calling other people sheep is doing. You are just dismissing criticism of ARTPOP by labeling its detractors sheep and bandwagoners. It's so silly.

It depends on the fanbase. If this had been a fanbase like Taylor Swift's or One Direction's, that is what would have happened with much of the base. Instead, you had the young stans that came on board with BTW, the young and persucated who found strength in that album/era. When the negativity and bullying started with the ARTPOP era, they couldn't take it. Instead of standing up for the bullied person, they turned on them, to prevent getting bullied themselves.

Then, you had parts of that group and parts of the TFM group who had made absolute asses of themselves on other forums...at places like ATRL especially. They were embarrassed because they had been making unrealistic predictions for months and even years (they made them here too in the charts thread) and also had spent years dragging other artists. Now, that Gaga was more in line with others in the top tier and not THE artist, they couldn't take it. They had to blame something or someone for their embarrassment. They were pissed at Gaga "for putting them in this position". 

Now, there were those fans who simply didn't like the music from the start and those that did and didn't care what happened with the charts, but there were also the groups of fans that I described above. 

[Manul 7,377]

There are several arguments.

Some say the album is full of fillers. I do agree with that but not with those that say it. It so happens those people praise TF to no end. It also so happens that ARTPOP, Aura, Dope, DWUW, SD, Swine and Venus blow away anything in TF. Also, AP's fillers > TF's fillers. Why do they praise it then? Success.

Others say it was a messy era. That is not a valid reason to bash the album itself, however. Gaga is neither Interscope nor her management team. Blame should go where it is due.

Some others claim that it is because of Gaga's lies and false hyping. Many forget that AP has a ****ton of unreleased songs. The album itself is most definitely not Gaga's vision of what it should have been. And after interscope ****ed up the tracklist, she wouldn't just show up and say "the hyping was for nothing so just try to forget about it and move on". BUT we still got the iconic songs I mentioned above.

And then there's that almost extinct group of people that say it is because of the gimmicks she did during the era a.k.a. the puke performance and Gajesus and some others. She has been doing gimmicks since TF came out, are you still here just to remind us of it and to be extremely redudant? 

Personally, all i care about is about those fans that were/are so highly critical of whatever she does, they might as well be haters. They are a bad influence on her. But most of them are long gone. Good riddance, and hopefully the few remaining ones will follow suit soon enough. 

[SpadesToStart 3,444]

People have a hard time dissociating the music from their sour feelings about how the era went.  While I have cooled on a few songs, many of them still slay me with each listen.

[SKANK 14,288]

I usually see you as one of the most sensible posters here, and even on opinions I disagree with I can appreciate your big picture viewpoint and funny/sensible no nonsense approach. However, stating for a fact that it was a rush release and quality suffered as a result, then acting like that had some kind of bearing on critical discourse (when it's pretty clear that in the pop music/popular culture sphere quality is hardly the only metric upon which releases are judged) seems like such a leap. I'm not taking issue with, to be reductive about your claim, "ARTPOP sucks", but rather with "it sucks because it was rushed, and then the public saw it for what it was." I follow the posts of mindtrappa, the user on PopJustice who has a very proven trackrecord as an insider and frequently gets specific about things as mundane as what city Gaga was in when she wrote Insert Song Here, and he seems to absolutely acknowledge the chaos that surrounded the creation and release, including mentioning several times that her confidence on certain versions of songs wavered....but in his version of events, again A version,  the record was pretty specifically sketched out from 2012 until release and remains largely similiar to its original concept, despite a few major changes to tracklists, Burqa becoming Aura, Brooklyn Nights/Temple being saved for fabled app and Dope being added, and in spite of the long held firm belief of all fans, detractors and defenders, that some mythical 2012 "original" version  exists that then Interscope/Troy/PrincessHigh/Satan scrapped to destroy the lives of stans everywhere. Meanwhile, in an age where Taylor Swift, bless her, wins the highest music honor in all the land, can we really claim quality is the sole metric upon which these kind of things are judged?

To be clear, I am an ARTPOP apologist, and also don't take issue with your distaste for it, but I had the sudden urge to fulfill my destiny as "that one guy". 

You make some great points.

If she had a more supportive team around her and had not been forced to release a record before she was ready, ARTPOP may have been a better album. That is just my theory. It isn't a fact. It's just what I tell myself when I hear Jewels N' Drugs.

And I just want to be clear, I don't hate ARTPOP. As someone else said in this thread, I enjoy it for what it is, a fun pop record.

[Kayla 7,595]

This thread isn't talking about people who dislike ARTPOP.
This thread is talking about people who in the beginning were stanning for ARTPOP, but then as the era went on started trashing the album. 

OP isn't referring to the people who disliked it from the beginning, OP is referring to the people who sang its praises then jumped ship when the reviews and lower sales started coming in. 

[abracaluca 540]

Monsters say this stuff. As Monsters, we agree and stand by what she says, but I haven't really been seeing that all the time lately. Discuss below! 

 

Define trash 

it would be ü

[bradshaw 266]

"ARTPOP is a bad album… that's why it received no Grammy nominations."

If that was the case then Bangerz and PRISM should have not received any nomination at the Grammys because they have the same Metacritic score as ARTPOP at 61. But that's not the case - it all comes down to media perception and sales. Had AP debuted with 1,000,000+ copies first week in the United States and sold 10+ million in the long run, I guarantee the album would be considered Gaga's best album by everyone. 

There's no point in denying it either! Everyone is affected subconsciously by the opinions of others. If your friend was bashing a movie and said it was terrible, would you go watch that movie? No. The same thing happened with ARTPOP… the friend (media) told you the album was terrible so your opinion on it slowly started to subconsciously change. You will never have the same opinion on the album again because your perception was already affected after the opinion… even if you liked the album at first but it was too late when ALL your friends started bashing the album. That's the way our brains work darlings. Hive mind mentality.

However, some people genuinely don't like the album and some blame its lack of quality on Gaga's part as a reason why it was hated. That's not the case considering Gaga delivered exactly what she promised with ARTPOP: the immature raver version of The Fame Monster. It's not Gaga's fault the delusionals expected some avant-garde Bjork type electronic music because of the "art" in the title next to "pop". Start relaxing more and maybe you guys would enjoy an album for what it is rather than for what it isn't.

And these people your talking about really need to start forming their own opinions rather than basing their opinions off of the opinions of others. Negativity breeds negative thoughts and sadly ARTPOP suffered from this. 

[LORD GAGA 1,271]

"ARTPOP is a bad album… that's why it received no Grammy nominations."

If that was the case then Bangerz and PRISM should have not received any nomination at the Grammys because they have the same Metacritic score as ARTPOP at 61. But that's not the case - it all comes down to media perception and sales. Had AP debuted with 1,000,000+ copies first week in the United States and sold 10+ million in the long run, I guarantee the album would be considered Gaga's best album by everyone. 

There's no point in denying it either! Everyone is affected subconsciously by the opinions of others. If your friend was bashing a movie and said it was terrible, would you go watch that movie? No. The same thing happened with ARTPOP… the friend (media) told you the album was terrible so your opinion on it slowly started to subconsciously change. You will never have the same opinion on the album again because your perception was already affected after the opinion… even if you liked the album at first but it was too late when ALL your friends started bashing the album. That's the way our brains work darlings. Hive mind mentality.

However, some people genuinely don't like the album and some blame its lack of quality on Gaga's part as a reason why it was hated. That's not the case considering Gaga delivered exactly what she promised with ARTPOP: the immature raver version of The Fame Monster. It's not Gaga's fault the delusionals expected some avant-garde Bjork type electronic music because of the "art" in the title next to "pop". Start relaxing more and maybe you guys would enjoy an album for what it is rather than for what it isn't.

And these people your talking about really need to start forming their own opinions rather than basing their opinions off of the opinions of others. Negativity breeds negative thoughts and sadly ARTPOP suffered from this. 

i agree with nearly all of this  

[Brooke Hoegan 1,018]

Well, I never "stanned" for it 

I thought it was so good but I listened to the leak through Saturday and Sunday and then abondoned it for a whole week (still before offical release) because I wasn't much impressed. I guess I was very hyped but quickly realized it wasn't a strong record.

Also, I am very annoyed that people bring this up like this. I remember I wasn't alone with my distaste, so it wasn't "all of the sudden"

[arthurhmangum 4,408]

They think the album is a piece of **** because the era was a piece of ****. 

[Justin Bieber 12]

I think because Gaga is someone who monsters want to support even if she isn't giving that thing that they love, so I think ARTPOP was something that was good for the time that it lasted but isn't near as timeless as her previous work... Also ARTPOP in my opinion is better but less appealing to monsters.

[Bradley 59,023]

because 2,500,000 copies sold is too little for them

[Alphaz 7,956]

The album is not ****, the era was ****

[PaperIz 7,346]

People take commercial success into account for how much they like an album. I base the music on the music not the sales. But a lot of the fanbase is too fickle