What Gaga said about her perfumes

[Supersonic 49,376]

I feel the same way about that as I feel about the app: we can't trust her EVER when she's talking. I mean, in 2014 she couldn't stop describing the app as something that would change her career and open up a whole new experience for her fans etc. etc. and then she just dropped and ignored it and implied that it was just Troy's idea and she never gave a **** about it in the first place.

Like, seriously, this is no shade, but she can obviously fake excitement and passion about anything if her label/team/whoever wants her to. So I'm just not gonna believe anything she says in the present or future for my own sanity.

I mean everybody kinda does that though.

Imagine you invite somebody over to dinner and boast about your cooking skills but the day the people you invite finally come over your oven explodes and you barely safe your own ass after your kitchen is on fire. I feel like that is what went down with the ARTPOP app.

But I agree, Gaga seems to find it easy to put on her Poker Face while doing things she finds unpleasurable.

[Guest]

She was obviously explaining why Eau De Gaga fell through, it was obvious she didnt really have any creative contribution to it when you see the ads and promotion as opposed to Fame, she loved the fragrance. I dont think she needs/wants another fragrance, Fame is record breaking and shes expressed her gratitude for it time and time again.

[doveve 526]

This made me rethink all her career and question things. Out of all the projects and collaborations she's ever participated in, how many of them were forced and how many were genuine? How many times was she forced to smile and be excited? I guess millions of times. And then thinking about that, you come to conclusion that entertainment business is all about money and insincere projects. No wonder Gaga was so extremely depressed. We know nothing about what goes on behind the scenes. I was also thinking the other day, where would Gaga be now if she only did what she wanted? She'd probably sing in some bar in New York. And then you start to think how sincere and genuine her all career is? And well, then you stop thinking because it's too much and you never know lol.

But speaking about Fame, I think she was forced to do it, but she also tried to do the best she could, because even though she was not excited about that initially, she enjoyed the process (I hope, because I like that perfume and idea).

[NewUsername 11,420]

I think she originally didn't want to do FAME at all, but liked the outcome of it and the whole aesthetic. At least that's what I hope, because it was an amazing result! I think she didn't want to do Eau de Gaga at all, and in Eau de Gaga's case, it showed.

Also yeah, sometimes Gaga takes a leap with speaking the truth. "I feel so great!" -> said era ends -> "I didn't feel good at all during that era" is one of the things that have come back more than once...

Maybe it's the pressure? dunno

[Voltaire 4,531]

I feel the same way about that as I feel about the app: we can't trust her EVER when she's talking. I mean, in 2014 she couldn't stop describing the app as something that would change her career and open up a whole new experience for her fans etc. etc. and then she just dropped and ignored it and implied that it was just Troy's idea and she never gave a **** about it in the first place.

Like, seriously, this is no shade, but she can obviously fake excitement and passion about anything if her label/team/whoever wants her to. So I'm just not gonna believe anything she says in the present or future for my own sanity.

She's a person who finds passion in anything she does. I agree with what you're saying, but only as long as it doesn't imply a lie.

Perhaps she was pushed to do a perfume, didn't want to. Then once its clear she's going to have to go with it, she decides to take it on and pour a 1000% of her passion into it. I've been there with projects and topics and I know how that feels: given the chance, wouldn't have done it at all...but since I have to? Let me wipe the floor with everyone while I do it.

The app? Another great example. I can easily see her being passionate and involved, only to find that the team's execution wasn't there and then there goes all the air from that one. A beautiful balloon is great to play with, but don't try to blow in one end if it has a hole in another. You'll sooner pass out than keep a dying toy afloat.

The danger for me, is not in believing her in her moments of passion and excitement, but understanding that she shares those far before they're a certainty. That's the problem here for me: the premature sharing of herself. If you share in that assessment, we agree, if not? Then:

Friendship that insists upon agreement on all matters is not worth the name. Friendship to be real must ever sustain the weight of honest differences, however sharp they be. -Gandhi

:D

[Guest]

This made me rethink all her career and question things. Out of all the projects and collaborations she's ever participated in, how many of them were forced and how many were genuine? How many times was she forced to smile and be excited? I guess millions of times. And then thinking about that, you come to conclusion that entertainment business is all about money and insincere projects. No wonder Gaga was so extremely depressed. We know nothing about what goes on behind the scenes. I was also thinking the other day, where would Gaga be now if she only did what she wanted? She'd probably sing in some bar in New York. And then you start to think how sincere and genuine her all career is? And well, then you stop thinking because it's too much and you never know lol.

But speaking about Fame, I think she was forced to do it, but she also tried to do the best she could, because even though she was not excited about that initially, she enjoyed the process (I hope, because I like that perfume and idea).

Ok breathe she was talking about Eau De Gaga 

[Didymus 34,380]

I mean this is the woman that lied about the color of her prom dress

Thinking of your amazing thread about that

 

[liz89 373]

it felt like she was talking about her second perfume.. and tbh, I don't care. I've never been a fan of these celebrity perfumes at all. It's a topic that isn't very important to me. 

 

As much as I love and respect Gaga, I agree with everything you said. I'm sure she's genuine about some of the stuff she says about her projects but at the same time we can't take everything she says seriously, I mean this is the woman that lied about the color of her prom dress. Gaga does love to exaggerate a lot of things she says too so whenever she describes something I just wait until it happens and then make a judgment. I think we all learned to just wait and expect the unexpected although she has been kinda predictable lately. 

can you please enlighten me? what's with her prom dress? 

 

[2007 5,291]

Well that's stupid of her, what is she expecting? Is she expecting the fan to take a cup of tea with her and have a deep convo about the meaning of life? Of course everybody would want a selfie.

well yeah, didn't she say (ad actually done) hangout with her fans out of her apartment and order some food and talk, and I once, not sure whether it was one of her concerts or iTunes (2013) festival were she said something like 'enough of me, I wanna know you guys, I'm interested in you as you are in me, I want know your projects, dreams goals..', and no wonder monsters like Marc are close to her, and if you remember back at the BTWB she would bring fans with her after the show and they would sit on her bed and just talk about whatever. Pulse gaga consider us (her monster) the 'freaks' that understand her, a connection she doesn't have with the GP audience, so what's she said at the 'emotion revolution' wasn't directed (only) to her fans.

[Didymus 34,380]

She's a person who finds passion in anything she does. I agree with what you're saying, but only as long as it doesn't imply a lie.

Perhaps she was pushed to do a perfume, didn't want to. Then once its clear she's going to have to go with it, she decides to take it on and pour a 1000% of her passion into it. I've been there with projects and topics and I know how that feels: given the chance, wouldn't have done it at all...but since I have to? Let me wipe the floor with everyone while I do it.

The app? Another great example. I can easily see her being passionate and involved, only to find that the team's execution wasn't there and then there goes all the air from that one. A beautiful balloon is great to play with, but don't try to blow in one end if it has a hole in another. You'll sooner pass out than keep a dying toy afloat.

The danger for me, is not in believing her in her moments of passion and excitement, but understanding that she shares those far before they're a certainty. That's the problem here for me: the premature sharing of herself. If you share in that assessment, we agree, if not? Then:

Friendship that insists upon agreement on all matters is not worth the name. Friendship to be real must ever sustain the weight of honest differences, however sharp they be. -Gandhi

:D

That's the excuse people always bring and I can't say there's no internal logic in there, but it just can't be proven - specifically because Gaga refuses to talk about all the hundreds of failed promises.

So I guess it's a theory, but it doesn't take away the end result: we can't trust her and believing her is a mistake because it will lead to disappointment way too easily, even in laughably simple things like the fiber optic wig, the moving dress, all the songs she should've released on the app,... like, seriously, there's so many things she just drops that don't require any "team execution" at all, so I think that theory is only half-successful.

[Voltaire 4,531]

That's the excuse people always bring and I can't say there's no internal logic in there, but it just can't be proven - specifically because Gaga refuses to talk about all the hundreds of failed promises.

So I guess it's a theory, but it doesn't take away the end result: we can't trust her and believing her is a mistake because it will lead to disappointment way too easily, even in laughably simple things like the fiber optic wig, the moving dress, all the songs she should've released on the app,... like, seriously, there's so many things she just drops that don't require any "team execution" at all, so I think that theory is only half-successful.

Sure, I can handle that we can't trust the things she says will become a reality based on her word because of all those reasons we've both brought up.

What I'm saying is that it's irrelevant. I don't need to be able to "trust" her in that way. I trust that she'll deliver a knock out performance every time. I trust she'll work her ass off. I trust that she'll entertain me. And I trust that the business surrounding her music is going to continue to change and upset even the best laid plans (let alone the poorly laid ones!)

Those are the moments of trust I enjoy as a fan. I hope I can trust she'll discontinue the over-hyping in the future. 

[Nicole 1,809]

I think she was more referring to Eau De Gaga, I think she enjoyed Fame but enjoyed it as as one-time thing that's special because it'll only happen once and got annoyed when her team wanted to turn it into a franchise IE Eau de Gaga.

and peoples also talking about the selfie thing and I think that's also being taken out of context. What I think she's trying to say is that fans don't live IN the moment with her anymore. Instead, they live for the moment they post their pic on social media so people are envious of their experience. Fans just force themselves next to her, shove a camera in front of her face, say thank you/I love you - that's it. If you want Gaga to actually enjoy meeting fans on the street etc - TALK to her, LOOK her in the eyes, ask about her day - ASK if she would mind taking a pic. If she says no don't go off on social media how she was rude etc - she's human. She's not an animal in a zoo and clearly she feels that way if she doesn't enjoy taking pics with fans anymore. 

[Kayla 7,595]

I wonder if she was excited about Fame, but then the second perfume was made strictly because of contractual obligations? 

[Kayla 7,595]

I think she was more referring to Eau De Gaga, I think she enjoyed Fame but enjoyed it as as one-time thing that's special because it'll only happen once and got annoyed when her team wanted to turn it into a franchise IE Eau de Gaga.

and peoples also talking about the selfie thing and I think that's also being taken out of context. What I think she's trying to say is that fans don't live IN the moment with her anymore. Instead, they live for the moment they post their pic on social media so people are envious of their experience. Fans just force themselves next to her, shove a camera in front of her face, say thank you/I love you - that's it. If you want Gaga to actually enjoy meeting fans on the street etc - TALK to her, LOOK her in the eyes, ask about her day - ASK if she would mind taking a pic. If she says no don't go off on social media how she was rude etc - she's human. She's not an animal in a zoo and clearly she feels that way if she doesn't enjoy taking pics with fans anymore. 

She told us back in 2013 that she doesn't like having her picture taken.  It's not a new thing for her, she's just nice enough to let it keep happening. And I also think it's ridiculous how fans approach her. They approach her for a selfie, for proof it happened, which I totally understand- you want that moment documented, and usually she's moving along to fast to actually have a "moment" with you. But it must get very tiring to feel like people care more about having proof they met you than actually enjoying the experience in the moment. 

[Nicole 1,809]

She told us back in 2013 that she doesn't like having her picture taken.  It's not a new thing for her, she's just nice enough to let it keep happening. And I also think it's ridiculous how fans approach her. They approach her for a selfie, for proof it happened, which I totally understand- you want that moment documented, and usually she's moving along to fast to actually have a "moment" with you. But it must get very tiring to feel like people care more about having proof they met you than actually enjoying the experience in the moment. 

exactly. I haven't met her at the hotel and stuff and I am someone who loves for documenting everything just out of fear that I'll forget about it - but I'd rather be the one fan that takes the time to genuinely ask about her day, maybe give her something and actually ask to take a pic - if the latter doesn't happen, I'm sure there are dozens of ppl that would have gotten some of that interaction on photos/videos - than be the one who just jumps in, takes selfie and goes away.